My site has been First Now vanished from Google

My site has been the first of its kind, I drop off Google

[sabine7777]

For the past year I have experienced periodically being completely dropped off Google. My site has been the FIRST of its kind and is in all the natural search results on the first spot. I'm just a small business, but since spet of 2004 I have been vanishing off of Google every 6 weeks or so--recently it has been more often and for longer periods. Does Google discriminate against Older sites? Are they doing it so that we will advertise with them? Any help, advice, comment from a desperate single mother of 4!

[JuniorOptimizer]

I lost all rankings on my most important site also.

Why ALL the rankings? Why would every single ranking be buried?

[guitaristinus]

This is part of the excitement of what we do. A site of mine got hit yesterday. If the SERPs stay, it will cost me about $350/month. Meanwhile, I've got several other newer sites waiting to get spidered and listed. MSN and yahoo are bringing in traffic.

Some stats:

September 21 Referring Sites
reqs: site
----: ----
2792: www.google.com/
906: www.google.co.uk/
613: search.msn.com/
603: search.yahoo.com/
173: www.google.ca/
165: web.ask.com/

September 22 Referring Sites
reqs: site
----: ----
632: search.msn.com/
534: search.yahoo.com/
414: www.google.com/
191: web.ask.com/

[cleanup]

Totally agree.

Weird update and weird that there is no update thread.

For what its worth I see a previously "supressed" site back after being lost in a previous update.

I see another two gone.

All three sites are totally independant, unrelated and have unique content, all are over five years old.

The only thing they share is that they all have been SEO'd by me in the same ways (amaturish but effective up until now).

Can see no logic so far, so prefer to think that the update has a long way to go or Google are having problems (again).

[dt1961]

Why is it that nobody knows what is going on?

I thought some people on this board were well in with Google. Could it be a TOTAL screw up.

This is an update in my area

[rytis]

Definitely an important algo change or "update".

Somehow I feel its tied to scrapers copying your content. Google, why not using historical data (simple stupid : which one has been indexed 1st) in determining which domain is a "parent" and else are "scrapers".

R

[walkman]

>> Why ALL the rankings? Why would every single ranking be buried?

your site has lost Google's "trust". No matter what you put there, it will not do good until you gain that back.

[anttiv]

I lose $500 every day because of this update. I'm already busy working on brand new sites. No time to sleep or eat.

When's the next update? Just in time for Xmas sales?

[sabine7777]

I'm just a novice--can someone translate for me these terms: "Serps" "SEO" "Page Frame"?

[sabine7777]

Why is Google not bothering to inform sites of penalties?. That's really mean and keeps us all in the dark. Ebay, when they remove you, they tell you why, Google doesn't even bother--this whole "Keeping us all in the dark business" seems very creepy, and I'm sure will be illegal one day. Already unethical and personally disgusting!

[JuniorOptimizer]

Interesting theory about "TrustRank", but I don't think it explains this update.

I see many pages ahead of me in the SERPS from websites that were banned and recently released (after removing hidden links and text). The link command shows these sites have no links, but the pages are ranking like they used to. It's almost like old backlink data is being used.

[stargeek]

"Serps"
Search Engine Result Page

"SEO"
Search Engine Optimize

"Page Frame"
Don't know, possibly, a framed webpage (an html thing, google it)

[sabine7777]

Thanks Stargeek!

[djmick200]

Certain people DO KNOW whats going on. Those are the ones keeping quiet, adding and saying nothing.

The rest of us will find out when it suits them for us to be fed titbits of information, some of it true, some of it blurred and some it downright misleading.

We are on the outside of the 'inner circle'. It is up to each of us to research and make our own conclusions and adjustments to our sites.

We cannot grumble on at what google is changing as we are not paying them anything for natural serps, we are making money by accepting free traffic from them.

IMO thats just the way it is and always will be.

[stargeek]

"inner circle"

what do you mean by this?
who are the inner circle?

[soapystar]

inner circle = not subject to centrifugal forces to the same extent as those on the edge of the circle....

[Autoweb]

My website was top for "second hand vauxhall vectra" a british car.
The top site is now an engines and gearboxes website with the above keywords hidden in a 1 pixel <h1> style sheet using same colour text as the background.
We are now page 16, our page content is... second hand vauxhall vectra cars.
You couldn't make it up :-)

[soapystar]

what i have noticed with recent changes is that concurrently the serps are better for the best sites and worse for the worst sites..extremes of both so to speak..and this for both at the same time..so where the top ten used to be pretty good sites and some average sites you now get some very strong sites with some awful spam garbage..is that prgress or not?.. the sites that have suffered are the pretty-good-but-not-the-totally-best for keyword sites....

[fiu88]

..Maybe this is a test...seeing who optimizes when things change....then striking them dowm...

[Simon_Says]

Hi all

I had a site disappear a short while back. Still site:www.domain.co.uk shows 'did not match any documents'.

Initially I thought I'd screwed up my Google sitemap (parsing error reported in the Google sitemap login area).

But now you guys are reporting issues, I have a couple of questions.

Those who have 'been wiped out':

1
Does site:domain.com show 'did not match any documents' or do you mean traffic / rank drops but same number of documents held on Google?

2
Do you use Google sitemap?

Thanks and best of luck to all those in the same boat as me!

[reseller]

sabine7777

Welcome!

For future references, there is a link right at the top of these forums glossary where you can find definitions of several terms.

WebmasterWorld Glossary
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I hope this helps.