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I see a huge changes in google serps across all the google datacenters in europe and asia but US serps are the same...
A few of my site goes up and a few goes down
Did you see the same changes?
Thanks
Alex
The Googlemeister might not like it, but peeps do.
Thanks for sharing. Very interesting post!
<But I think the junction of those menus, with an intense on page optimisation on the target page, might lead to over-optimization triggers.>
Agree. However, I operate with certain factor (# or %) of keywords/keyphrases density on each page, taking into account the content (anchor text of internal links) of the menu.
<So it makes more than 800 links for those 10 pages added in a single update? Maybe the problem is not the quantity of links or structure, but a problem of too much added links at the same time?>
The most important question is still; how does Google and other SEs look at the number of internal links on a page. Personally I believe that internal links are considered part of the content of a site. Accordingly one should ask; does adding too much content at the same time trigger a filter by SEs?
<A last thing about your message: you said that google can differentiate between internals, inbounds and outbound... I agree, but in what way does that cancel the possibility that google can detect too much internal links and over-optimization techniques?
What do you think? >
I read once (maybe on Google or a post by GG) that Google suggest around 100 outbound links per a page, but I haven't seen any specific number regarding internal links.
So I guess that the only drawback of having too many internal links on the same page is in connection with over-optimization. I.e Google take into account the anchor text when evaluating whether a page is over-optimized.
I read once (maybe on Google or a post by GG) that Google suggest around 100 outbound links per a page, but I haven't seen any specific number regarding internal links.
Reseller is correct - but just so there's no confusion, they suggest using less than 100 links per page. Not sure if they were only outbound or inbound and outbound etc. however.
As for having a menu of inbounds to certain parts of the site on every page, this should be ok. Yahoo, MSN, and Google all have it...
I read once (maybe on Google or a post by GG) that Google suggest around 100 outbound links per a page, but I haven't seen any specific number regarding internal links.
As I understand it, that was because Google didn't follow more than 100 links per page, not because Google penalized or filtered pages with more than 100 links.
BTW, people need to think twice before making major changes to their sites in hopes of recovering from a Google "minor shuffle" or update--unless, of course, they know they've done something shady and want to clean up their acts.
agree................
Hi and thanks for the comment, I agree totally, the fact is I did an experiment site wide, and I think it may have been considered by google as an attemp to play him. The way I saw it, it was more the intention of promoting the links for my best selling pages, from all the pages. I'm not sure if I will remove the menu I just made, but lets say maybe...
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I tried to add those 10 links from the best third level content pages. Seems to me it changed the way google sees my site, which ranked in the top 3 for years on tens of competitive keywords.
I already tried other forms of structure like I said, and I come to question the exageration of internal links that repeat themselves on all the pages.. Not that I tought I was exagerating, or ruining the user experience, I consider my site useful and relevant. But seems that you have better chances on most engines to limit the links but have them in a well planified and optimised manner.
I still think the best method is to point to subcats from home page, and sub cats point to content pages. Content pages can point between themselves AS LONG as they are in the same sub cat. If content pages point to other content pages in another subcat, I think it can be consider from a less good eye. ( at least in a template based industrial manner)
This way the pages are still two links away. Content page can go to any SUBCAT index. Then on the SUBCAT index you put a link to all the content in that subcat. *not sure i'm clear enough but...*
You can link all the subcats from every page as a legitimita ordinary menu.
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For the questions about the 10 pages, it,s 800 pages that point to 6 MAIN CATS (legitimate menu) ad the I added 10 links on every pages as a popular pages menu.
UPDATE: like expected a couple pages started climbing more than 15+ positions, so the little refresh is not over. ( not in europe or whatever datacenter I check) ;) There'S still hope for a regular shake up and not total destruction..
A last thing for reseller: It is an interesting point that you function with the on page in relation with the linking... I guess it's obvious but I saw that more as a bonus and never really tought about doing really too much in concentration.
For the rest, it is not the first time I read the maybe too much links or too much content at the same time can cause unexpected results, is that really possible: I tought I had the control over my sites developpement. I guess I could have uploaded over a month's period. But hey I just didint.
Those of us affected by this 'minor shuffle' are looking for patterns - what's different between pages that went url-only and those that didn't.
Here are some interesting patterns:
My site is layed out in subdirectory fashion. Each subdirectory (~25) has an index.htm page.
The left side border contains links to all subdirectories. The right side border contains links to each page in the subdirectory - may be 4 to 25 links. Some of the detailed subdirectory pages have more content some less content than the index page.
Here's the pattern: No index.htm pages have gone url-only. Only the detail pages went url-only, sometimes 2 or 3 and sometimes all of them.
Also sitemap.htm is ok but sitemap2.htm sitemap3.htm are url-only.
Could google be applying different rules based on the name of the page?
Only if the Earth is flat.
