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anyone still waiting after 10 months?

[fom2001uk]

I've worked on half a dozen new sites (launched after March 2004) and all but one of them has come out of the alleged filter/sand box within 6 months.

The one that hasn't got out yet has been waiting almost 10 months now. Is this too long? Has anyone else waited this long or longer. I know the waiting time varies between sites, but has anyone waited longer than 10 months?

[BeeDeeDubbleU]

I have a sandboxed site that is now 12 months old.

[phantombookman]

I have one at 11 months and counting, it's getting ridiculous! (if indeed it wasn't already)

[BillyS]

I have a site that is now in the sandbox for nearly 11 months. As a matter of fact, over the last four months it seems to be suffering even more. Currently shows at #245 for its own unique name and this page is not the home page and it shows as supplemental in the search. I've written Google on several occassions and they have assured me that the site is not under any kind of penalty. The site currently shows over 800 pages in Google's index.

In my reading about the possible reasons for penalty, my guess is that I acquired links too quickly. My site was accepted into Dmoz shortly after birth - which resulted in numerous links. I also ran an advertising campaign through Adwords and GoClick. Some of these advertisements (GoClick) resulted in additional links.

I've never run any other kind of link campaign, just advertising and Dmoz. So far this month the sites stats for referals look like this:

Yahoo - 2,474
MSN - 264
AltaVista - 36
AlltheWeb - 24
Ask - 18
Google - 12

My typical referal from Google is a phrase in quotations, usually returning less than 10 results. More than 10 results, then I am usually on page 2... (I do get those occassionally).

I have been slowly moving upwards in Yahoo and MSN (around #35) despite the low referals presently for some very competitive words (300 million in Google). The site currently contains 650 pages of text that I personally wrote. Pages average 500+ words each.

Each month Googlebot wastes its time spidering my site, typically taking in around 2,400 page (enough to spider each page 3 or 4 times.) The site has three PR 6 sites linking to it - two of which are educational institutions. Based on my logs I have also noticed that a link was placed from a rather well known university as part of what appears to be their lesson plan for students. For this particular topic (the site covers 13 topics), I have researched and written as much as any other site - even those that specialize in this area.

If they've got a filter in, I guess I am just one of the good sites they are willing to bypass to stop others.

[ncreegan]

Some sites, yes, others, no. I have noticed that in a lot of the sites still seeming to be "sandboxed," the results are filled with pages built by automatic content generators, scrapers, etc.

[roadhazard]

Hi, my site is 10 and 1/2 months old. Some days I get ZERO Google searches. The ONLY pages pulled to the front are OLDer pages on which I inadvertently matched the page name, title tag and description tag. I have been revamping all my pages to show this matchup, but Googlebot has only visited ONE of the new matched up pages. I have been redoing pages for about 3 months... I have about 900 pages. Googlebot seems to be programmed NOT to visit new pages of sandboxed sites. It DOES visit all my old pages, pages built maybe 6-8 months back. Heavy backbreaking filter...

[dyland]

Yes two sites over 10 months now....all the rest are out.

[BillyS]

Googlebot seems to be programmed NOT to visit new pages of sandboxed sites.

Not in my experience. Googlebot is very good at finding new pages and indexing them quickly on the site I just described.

[hdpt00]

10 or so months now. I got screwed because someone hijacked me (actually 4 people) via a 302 which kicked me out of the SERPs. I removed their sites with the tip on here and at least now I show up again at all (#712!) for my main keyword. I am back to #1 allinanchor.

Hopefully next big update I come to the top. I am #1 on Yahoo for almost everything I target. MSN varies but usually top 20.

Also, another thing that hurt me was I started a link campaign early on and I checked my links around the same time I noticed the 302 hijacking and saw that i was linking to about 5-7 PR0 (banned) sites. I removed those links as well as some other shady ones I should have been more careful about. Needless to say I no longer reply to emails asking for links. I don't discriminate, I don't look at the title, contents or anything from an email that is asking for a link, it goes right to the trash. Not to mention it takes too much time to care about links. I just get some good content written hope things will fall in place.

[roadhazard]

BillyS: is your site above a PR1? Maybe that is why Googlebot indexes your new pages fast. My site is only a PR1, down from initial PR3. I read my log daily. Googlebot is very active in my logs, but has only hit ONE of my new pages created over the last 3 months. It hits a ton of my old pages. This must be part of the filter's characteristics. I may be one who got links "too fast". They are good links, but maybe I triggered a penalty section of the filter. I do not know...But I keep at it. Adding good new links, building more pages. My site is an AM (affiliate marketing) site. This probably triggers a second penalty section of the filter. However, I note that the new Google patent states that Amazon affiliate links are favored. I am trying to play all angles. NO GOogle searches for 48 hours. I am studying everyone's input in this forum on these topics.

[LostOne]

Sorry, I cannot contribute but this amaizes me!

Yahoo - 2,474
MSN - 264
AltaVista - 36
AlltheWeb - 24
Ask - 18
Google - 12

[fom2001uk]

Agreed, I can relate to those Google numbers alright :-( but I don't see how you can do 10 times better on Yahoo than on MSN.

[reseller]

fom2001uk

<but I don't see how you can do 10 times better on Yahoo than on MSN.>

Its possible. Here are the figures of my site:

Yahoo: 9,890

MSN : 575

Google: 82

My site is doing around 17 times better on Yahoo than on MSN!