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Google's 302 Redirect Problem

         

ciml

4:17 pm on Mar 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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(Continuing from Google's response to 302 Hijacking [webmasterworld.com] and 302 Redirects continues to be an issue [webmasterworld.com])

Sometimes, an HTTP status 302 redirect or an HTML META refresh causes Google to replace the redirect's destination URL with the redirect URL. The word "hijack" is commonly used to describe this problem, but redirects and refreshes are often implemented for click counting, and in some cases lead to a webmaster "hijacking" his or her own URLs.

Normally in these cases, a search for cache:[destination URL] in Google shows "This is G o o g l e's cache of [redirect URL]" and oftentimes site:[destination domain] lists the redirect URL as one of the pages in the domain.

Also link:[redirect URL] will show links to the destination URL, but this can happen for reasons other than "hijacking".

Searching Google for the destination URL will show the title and description from the destination URL, but the title will normally link to the redirect URL.

There has been much discussion on the topic, as can be seen from the links below.

How to Remove Hijacker Page Using Google Removal Tool [webmasterworld.com]
Google's response to 302 Hijacking [webmasterworld.com]
302 Redirects continues to be an issue [webmasterworld.com]
Hijackers & 302 Redirects [webmasterworld.com]
Solutions to 302 Hijacking [webmasterworld.com]
302 Redirects to/from Alexa? [webmasterworld.com]
The Redirect Problem - What Have You Tried? [webmasterworld.com]
I've been hijacked, what to do now? [webmasterworld.com]
The meta refresh bug and the URL removal tool [webmasterworld.com]
Dealing with hijacked sites [webmasterworld.com]
Are these two "bugs" related? [webmasterworld.com]
site:www.example.com Brings Up Other Domains [webmasterworld.com]
Incorrect URLs and Mirror URLs [webmasterworld.com]
302's - Page Jacking Revisited [webmasterworld.com]
Dupe content checker - 302's - Page Jacking - Meta Refreshes [webmasterworld.com]
Can site with a meta refresh hurt our ranking? [webmasterworld.com]
Google's response to: Redirected URL [webmasterworld.com]
Is there a new filter? [webmasterworld.com]
What about those redirects, copies and mirrors? [webmasterworld.com]
PR 7 - 0 and Address Nightmare [webmasterworld.com]
Meta Refresh leads to ... Replacement of the target URL! [webmasterworld.com]
302 redirects showing ultimate domain [webmasterworld.com]
Strange result in allinurl [webmasterworld.com]
Domain name mixup [webmasterworld.com]
Using redirects [webmasterworld.com]
redesigns, redirects, & google -- oh my [webmasterworld.com]
Not sure but I think it is Page Jacking [webmasterworld.com]
Duplicate content - a google bug? [webmasterworld.com]
How to nuke your opposition on Google? [webmasterworld.com] (January 2002 - when Google's treatment of redirects and META refreshes were worse than they are now)

Hijacked website [webmasterworld.com]
Serious help needed: Is there a rewrite solution to 302 hijackings? [webmasterworld.com]
How do you stop meta refresh hijackers? [webmasterworld.com]
Page hijacking: Beta can't handle simple redirects [webmasterworld.com] (MSN)

302 Hijacking solution [webmasterworld.com] (Supporters' Forum)
Location: versus hijacking [webmasterworld.com] (Supporters' Forum)
A way to end PageJacking? [webmasterworld.com] (Supporters' Forum)
Just got google-jacked [webmasterworld.com] (Supporters' Forum)
Our company Lisiting is being redirected [webmasterworld.com]

This thread is for further discussion of problems due to Google's 'canonicalisation' of URLs, when faced with HTTP redirects and HTML META refreshes. Note that each new idea for Google or webmasters to solve or help with this problem should be posted once to the Google 302 Redirect Ideas [webmasterworld.com] thread.

<Extra links added from the excellent post by Claus [webmasterworld.com]. Extra link added thanks to crobb305.>

[edited by: ciml at 11:45 am (utc) on Mar. 28, 2005]

zgb999

1:06 pm on Apr 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Did anybody remove a hijacked page with the Google emergency removal tool more than 90 days ago?

After those threads
[webmasterworld.com...]
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I wonder whether Google will visit the pages again after 90 days (or maybe more) and the problem will start all over again.

g1smd

7:07 pm on Apr 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Are all the non-dmoz.org URLs, found in a site:www.dmoz.org search, an example of the problem that Google says doesn't exist?

claus

8:20 pm on Apr 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

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g1smd : Exactly!

All these seem to be flagged as "Supplemental" which, i think, means that they will probably not show up in a regular search. So, DMOZ might not have problems becaue of these - it's when they turn up in regular searches that they can cause problems.

larryhatch

11:13 pm on Apr 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Keeeeripes! Thanks for the tip.

I Googled up site:www.dmoz.org .. what a menagerie!

<snip>

This is scraper central.

If nothing else comes to the attention of G, this should. - Larry

[edited by: ciml at 9:39 am (utc) on April 11, 2005]
[edit reason] No specifics please. [/edit]

larryhatch

11:15 pm on Apr 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Ooops! I should have read Claus's post first.
Yup, all 'supplemental'.
That brings up another question. Can I assume that
supplemental results are penalized in some way? -Larry

theBear

11:24 pm on Apr 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

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larry,

The supplemental results rarely show in a search and the flip side is that the non supplemental duplicated page shows a lot further down in the serps.

g1smd

11:34 pm on Apr 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

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A page might not be a Supplemental Result for all search queries that it is returned for.

claus

3:10 pm on Apr 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm not 100% clear on the effect of a "supplemental" stamp, i have to admit that. Thinking about it, i do see these in results for regular queries sometimes (which is probably also what they're there for)

g1smd

5:22 pm on Apr 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The snippet for a Supplemental Result is never updated. It comes from an ancient archive deep in the Googleplex. It can easily represent content last seen on the page 3 or 4 years ago.

For a different search query the same page might be returned in the results, but might be a normal result and with a more up to date snippet.

At no time is there a rule to say that the words in the snippet can still be found in the cached page or on the real live site.

larryhatch

8:35 am on Apr 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Something surprising. [Thanks to the fellow who stickied me this tip]

site:www.dmoz.org brings up NOTHING AT ALL any more.
site:dmoz.org (no www.) yields 11.2 million pages, all real dmoz URLs
as far as I looked (several pages worth) and not a scraper in sight!

Did this thread embarrass somebody, or is it just coincidence?
I don't understand why the www should make any difference. -Larry

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