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But if I try to find this site in the datacenters, it is nowhere in the 58 datacenters.
How can webmasters get back into the google index?
Then I found a better way. I got a couple friends with websites and we all trade link trades.
When I trade links, I email them a list of all of my friends sites to trade links with and they do the same for me.
We get hundreds of link trades a day and hardly have to do any searching for link trades. When I build a new site, I just email all the people I traded links with over the years and they all trade links with the new site within a few day.
It's so much easier now.
Google is not the entire web, nor is it the entire marketing world.
I'm still very well listed on Yahoo and getting more and more MSN traffic every week. I've also been marketing in other ways on and off the web (sponsorships , giving sample products out and so on). I know it seems wrong to have to spend money with google adwords when the google update has caused a loss of traffic but in the end its the profitability of the site that counts - if google make more money out of me I don't care if it means more sales.
Google is not the entire web, nor is it the entire marketing world.
...a direct one-on-one exchange by personalized eMail correspondence with another webmaster (or his link exchange template) ... No link schemes either, not a one.
If I were Google, I would consider this as a link scheme and surely not as natural linking.
In a way, you have a point, because this never happens. Well, actually it happens to some tiny degree on your Auntie's blog about muffins, among her community of little old lady bakers (but she doesn't rank for 'muffins' anyway). What you're pointing out is the elephant in the room, that lovely suit the emperor's wearing, the huge flaw in the most fundamental precept of Google's mission: that analyzing links between websites still gives you an accurate picture of what's relevant on the web.
My $0.02 is that although the idea made sense when the Net was a virgin Galapagos - where innocent Dodos let you walk right up and pet them - now it's a different world. The Dodo's extinct and everything's polluted. IF that fundamental precept is shot, it begs the question why Google's new stock is still valued at several billions of dollars. And maybe that's why G is expanding into non-search: gMail, publish/broadcasting (Google News), rumors of becoming a domain registrar, whatever. Google is still the 800 pound gorilla, but when the day comes that it's because of sheer market share and brand recognition rather than excellence of product, it starts the decline to right-size relative to the competitors breathing down Google's neck, and a healthy drop in stock valuation.
Tell it to Google.
steveb wrote It's not a penalty or ban.
I'm sure in many cases that is true, but in other cases it's not. I haven't spent much time on this nor personally seen a large amount of sites that have disappeared. I have been shown 1/2 dozen sites that have disappeared and they all suffered from keyword stuffing. I'm not talking about simple over usage, but paragraphs of nothing but repeated keywords/related keywords (not readable paragraphs) on the page and in alt text etc. Even when I told the people this may have been the problem, they refuse to believe that is "because it's been like that for x number of years etc...."
I'm not saying for a fact this is the reason – just something they all had in common. They all had a small amount of good readable content on each page and then loaded both the HTML and other text with repeated keywords/related keywords.
So I naturally went and traded links with every site possible. That seems natural to me.
Un-natural links to me are scraper sites that pull results from google or yahoo for a keyword you are ranking for and then apply a php click tracking script with a 302 redirect which causes google to apply a duplicate penalty on your site and then you get dropped or blocked from the serps.
That is the most un-natural thing I ever saw!
And in my oppinion I can see very bad results in the serps and I do not mean the serps in my business, no, I mean the serps when I try to find normal things in the world wide web.For example: If I try to search for "online casino", google is showing me poker and sportbook websites instead of the clear results in the past. Additional they show me subsites like pub.xyz.co.uk/abc/def/lma.html instead of full domains in such a high competitive field. And I can see this in every business when I try to find something.
Does anyone think this is ok? :)
This reminds me of serps we were getting from yahoo several years ago before we all change into google.
IMVVVHO, 2005 will be the year that we would read "In the memory of Google (1998-2005)".
--mOftary
"natural"
I think in this case means if you did it for the search engines or not.
And if you're doing it for the web community because you have something genuinely really good to offer the world, but Google won't even acknowledge your existence unless you're chock full o'links? Although you could of course never measure such a statistic, abstractly speaking I'd venture a guess that 5% or less of the links on the web would truly have been there 'naturally', had Google as Internet gatekeeper not demanded links in order for a site to exist outside of a lightless vacuum, outside of the black hole in cyberspace a site would be forced to occupy without them.
abstractly speaking I'd venture a guess that 5% or less of the links on the web would truly have been there 'naturally', had Google as Internet gatekeeper not demanded links in order for a site to exist outside of a lightless vacuum
Web linking was an extremely common practice (and for the right reasons) long before Google arrived on the scene. After all, hypertext linking is one of the fundamental principles of the Web.
For all the artificial links that may have come about because of Google, there may be an equal number of links that don't exist because of Webmasters who are afraid of "leaking PageRank" or helping competitors place higher in the SERPs. And in any case, it makes no sense to blame Google for other people's greed.
like you guys siad.
THe boys seob00 seogu
these guys cant rank for there name.
lots of people have been hit. SEO still works
Rember google says no one can hurt your site.
so think if some black hat puts up lots of ancor links to try and knock your site down it just cant be its like spamm google send url to our index , they cant ban or penalize , if they did they would allow black hat seo, What they done have boost anor links from diffent IP address blocks aka hill top
and release s0me sand box . Thats what im thinking
