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For example, I use my Gmail account solely for business purposes primarily regarding correspondence from one ad network. That's because I had repeated issues with my other email accounts either blocking their emails or bouncing emails from them. So if you have to give your business partner access to your Gmail account, you are automatically giving that person access to all of your other Google accounts.
It's no one else's business which Google Groups I post on or what my Google Groups screen name is. What if I give an employee access to one of my Google accounts? Then he has access to all of my information for all other Google products in which I participate. He could also sign up with other Google products using my identity.
If you want to post anonymously on the Google AdSense Help Forums, you can't because Google employees monitor that forum and they have access to your account and your IP address which will allow them to determine whose AdSense account is being discussed and allow them access to my AdSense account.
I guess Google could argue that they provide all of these services free of charge so if you don't like their policy, you don't have to use them. But is that the way to run a business?
Has anyone determined a workaround to this?
If I am logging into a business account though, I have to log out of my account and then in as that one. It's annoying, but Google does not FORCE you to use that account. I have created at least 5 accounts in my time for various business purposes. Not only that, but you can make a google account our of a non-Gmail email address.
And to make my life easier ... if I need to get into another google account, I usually just open up IE and login through there.
You wanna talk a SE that attaches everything to you and does not allow you to disassociate (Google will let you remove your account from other areas of Google) ... Let's talk Yahoo. You CAN'T disassociate an account once its been associated. Quite irritating.
They aren't trying to take over the world. Google as an entity is just a set of engineers and marketers just trying to make your day to day easier, and you logins fewer.
As for your employees, I would suggest having your personal account (in which you join Google groups) and business account separate. Login to one from IE and the other from FF.
If someone uses my computer and I'm logged into Gmail, they shouldn't have access to my AdSense account without having to log in to my AdSense account. Having to repeatedly log in and out of a Google account is not an acceptable solution.
Edit: just tested it, went to my dashboard on webmastertools, already logged in. Same browser window and I went to Adsense page and it automatically it logged me in, guess the cookie was still good from yesterday. That's the only thing i see is ocssiaonlly the coookie expires from adsense. Rough guess is 24 hours, is that normal?
edit_g, I very much disagree with your bank analogy. Banks are government regulated where you must provide your legal name, taxpayer number, etc. I am not saying I want the ability to provide different personal info. for each Google product. I am saying that providing linked logins to different products should not be required for the reasons I previously stated.
If it worries you so much, just create different accounts...
Different accounts don't help if you're using a residential cable modem or DSL which tends to have rather static IPs as it can be easily assumed they're all you or at a minimum limited to people in your house.
I'll say it again: anonymous proxy
thecoalman, if you were automatically logged in, that means your accounts are associated with each other.
It's too separate accounts, up in the left hand corner there is the correct but different email addresses associated with them. I can't be logged into just one and access both.
Edit: let me explain exactly what I can do, it appears the adsense cookie is tied to a browser session. If I do as described above I can switch back and forth with the two seperate accounts. I closed FF then restarted it. If I go to my webmastertools page I'm still logged in, If go to the adsense account I'm now logged out. I need to relog into adsense. I can then go back to what was mentioned above and switch between the two, if I log out of the adsense account I'm still logged into the webmastertools account.
Sure, I can log back out each time I log in, but frankly, doing so is a PITA.
Too funny, am I the only person here that knows how to use anonymous proxy servers to avoid prying eyes?
Man oh man, this would have an even more serious security implications. You hardly ever know who is behind them "Anonymous" proxy servers and exactly what data do they track...passwords...usernames...browsing habits...etc. every time you visit a site and login to it via the proxy service. (DING)
Anon Proxy servers = your in/out browser http requests going via a third party before hitting the correct server. WATCH OUT! and beware of the information you provide while surfing the web via these services. Some would argue that 99.9% of web communication is going anyway via a number of unknown servers before hitting the destination server. These however are random servers transferring random small packets of data upstream. Nothing like a proxy server which gets (and capable of storing) the entire POST and/or GET requests that you make (web forms you submit).
incrediBILL, I am sure that you know what you are doing. My post is for the people who may misunderstood you and will try to login to their Adsense/Adwords, paypal or bank account via an anon proxy. A big NO! NO!
[edited by: Web_speed at 7:15 am (utc) on April 22, 2008]
In that case why must I also then be forced to enter Username A and Password A for business logins like Adsense and Analytics, when I would rather keep a distinct business login and password (for the sake of client-side security)?
Please, just give us the option, Google, to access different services on the same account using different combinations of usernames and passwords. It can't be that difficult to implement.
I've been in the AdSense program since it first started nearly 5 years ago. My login email was always my business email address until a couple of months ago when Google forced me to link my AdSense account to my Gmail address. They indicated at the time that you didn't have to do it then, but if you didn't you were taken to that same message screen each time you attempt to log into your AdSense account and that eventually you would be forced to.
I got this notification too sometime last year, I think. I thought I had to link to my Adsense to my Gmail account too. I then clicked on other options and was able to keep my Yahoo email as my login for my Adsense... until today. And no nagging screens popping up.
The root of the problem is Gmail and the rest, and here is why: I am logged to Gmail all the time, so if someone hijacks my computer, he can see all my other Google services, which is a recipe for disaster.
Now, I understand that G is trying to build an uniform online platform (you don't need a password to start Word of Firefox on your PC) but they need to make the system more secure. Here are my suggestions to the big G (I want my money after):
* provide a selective-login control system, where you decide if you will be required for username/password or not when logging in to a service.
* provide extra security settings, like controllable login expiry timers.
* all this can be unified in an account-control pannel