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How to block/autorespond Google Mail (gmail) from your Email Client?

         

sun818

5:07 pm on Jun 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have Outlook, but am not familiar with how to generate an autoresponse based on the sender's domain. Has anyone successfully set up e-mail client rules to block Gmail? I'm interested in doing this on the client end, but I suppose mail server end would be okay too.

WebGuerrilla

5:17 pm on Jun 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yes, I've set up an auton denial message in Outlook. You can find a thread about it here [webmasterworld.com].

I included some Outlook instructions in post #27.

sun818

7:03 pm on Jun 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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WebGuerrilla, thanks very much. I didn't even realize I had an e-mail from gmail.com. But at least I had an e-mail I could test on. Works beautifully!

j4mes

3:37 pm on Jun 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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set up e-mail client rules to block Gmail

Why would you want to do this? (And yes, I've been keeping up with Gmail, in great detail.)

sun818

4:44 pm on Jun 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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AdSense is not compensating me when user click on an advertisement embedded within my e-mail. I think sender and receive should each receive 50% of the payout. :)

j4mes

3:05 pm on Jun 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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AdSense is not compensating me when user click on an advertisement embedded within my e-mail.

This is blatently false.

Unlike Hotmail, Yahoo, etc., etc., Google does not put adverts in your e-mail, either sent or recieved.

So what you really need to do is block Hotmail and not Gmail, because clearly you feel that Hotmail owes you money for the countless number of e-mails its users have no doubt sent you.

As for "compensation" for anything, I'd have thought that a free, one Gigabyte inbox was compensation enough for anyone, particularly since it's 500 times what Hotmail currently offers.

Any advertising is placed at the side of the page (not in the e-mail) and is text-based and relevant, as opposed to (to use Hotmail once again) utterly irrelevant and graphical.

So if your only objection to Gmail is that you feel they owe you money for allowing people to send e-mail for free, then perhaps you should rethink your "return to sender" policy?

To block Hotmail messages in Outlook, do the following:

1. Create a new e-mail message. Add a subject (Hotmail Denial Notice) and your default copy in the body section.

2. Click "File > Save As" and then select "Outlook Template" from the file type menu. That will add the e-mail to your templates folder.

3. Open your rules editor ("Tools > Rules and Alerts"). Click on new rule, and then walk through the wizard selecting the following items:

A) Apply rule after message arrives

B) With specific words in senders address (hotmail.com)

C) Reply using a specific template. (Select the template yoo created).

That's it. Now, anytime you receive an email sent from a Hotmail user, Outlook will automatically reply with your denial notice.

Adapted from WebGuerrilla's instructions on denying Gmail.

Starting to see the ridiculousness of all this? :)

-- James.

sun818

5:47 pm on Jun 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Whether embedded or on the side is not the point. I do not object to receiving e-mail from gmail.com. I object to replying to gmail.com email which will have ads served based partially on my content which I will not be compensated for. Its similar to putting Google Ad on your web site but not being paid for clicks by visitors.

j4mes

6:29 pm on Jun 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Ad on your web site but not being paid for clicks by visitors

You mean like Geocities?

sun818

6:40 pm on Jun 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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No, I mean like my own domain that I pay for and put my own content on. I don't know what the conditions for use on GeoCities is.

j4mes

6:40 pm on Jun 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I appreciate that you would prefer not have ads based on the content of your e-mail, however if they are irrelevant, the user will not click on them, as Google will undoubtedly quickly learn.

Gmail is a service. Advertising is part of this, which the user has opted for. If they didn't want to use Gmail they wouldn't. There are many hundreds of alternatives out there! :S

j4mes

6:41 pm on Jun 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Geocities is free, like Gmail, thus it has advertising.

Our servers are paid for, like our e-mail systems, thus do not have advertising.

sun818

6:58 pm on Jun 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Sorry, I don't really understand what you're trying to communicate or what your point is.

j4mes

7:13 pm on Jun 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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All I'm saying is that I think you are blocking Gmail unnecessarily and for no particular reason as far as I can tell, other than percieved falsehoods regarding the service.

I would liken it to your refusing to get a lift in a friend's car because he drives a Ford, and you don't like Fords.

People drive different makes of car, and people use different mail services. It's their choice.

sun818

7:31 pm on Jun 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I think you entirely missed my point, and frankly, I don't really care to explain it.

j4mes

8:01 pm on Jun 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Fair enough, just setting you straight on the facts about Gmail.

See you round WW :)

AdamB

10:25 pm on Jun 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have yet to understand the reasoning why anyone would block gmail, yet continue to send and recieve e-mails from other free web based e-mail services. Ignorance is bliss I guess....

WebGuerrilla

3:56 pm on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I guess what you don't understand is the fact that Hotmail and Yahoo does not base their ads on the content of the email. If, as a Hotmail user you choose to provide them with information that allows them to serve targeted ads to you, I don't care.

If Hotmail starts scanning the content of an email I wrote in order to serve an ad that matches the topic of that email, then they are using my content to generate revenue without compensating me for the use of that content.

Some may be ok with that. I'm not.

bird

4:13 pm on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I guess what you don't understand is the fact that Hotmail and Yahoo does not base their ads on the content of the email

Do you have authoritative information from Hotmail and Yahoo to support that claim?

sun818

4:14 pm on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

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You only need to view the advertisement to know it is brute force advertising and not targeted.

j4mes

4:21 pm on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hotmail and Yahoo does not base their ads on the content of the email.

If people didn't want ads based on the content of e-mails they received, then surely they'd have signed up with Hotmail or Yahoo?

generate revenue without compensating me for the use of that content.

If you own a web site about widgets, you are going to display ads about widgets, and not cars.

If you send someone an e-mail about widgets, and they have chosen an e-mail provider that displays ads about widgets, they are going to find those ads more useful than adverts about cars.

It's just business sense. People have a huge choice when it comes to e-mail, and some have chosen a provider that gives them relevant ads. Ergo they want relevant ads, otherwise they'd choose another provider, like Hotmail or Yahoo.

Am I missing something?

j4mes

4:23 pm on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

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not targeted.

Hence Google make more money and can offer much larger (and IMHO nicer) e-mail accounts for free.

sun818

4:55 pm on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

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> Am I missing something?

Yes. My competitor will show up on that advertisement. Why would I want my competitor to appear in a private communication?

j4mes

5:19 pm on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

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But it's the recipient's choice to see that advertising.

Clearly this is a difficult situation, but there must be a better way around this than simply blocking an entire domain.

figment88

5:27 pm on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

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better way around this than simply blocking an entire domain

I was thinking of making a little program that would allow me to forward email to an account I and then send a an email to the original account with a link to click on.

The process would be:
1) I receive an email from a Gmail account or some other place I do not want to respond

2) I write my response and forward it to an email account at my domain

3) A little script running on crontab grabs the email, stores the response in a database, creates a unique URL with a hash, a sends out an email to the orginal person with the URL

4) The peron gets the email, clicks the link and a script grabs the response from the database and formats it for reading.

I think there might already be some customer support software packages that do this, or it would be probably pretty straightforward to add in this functionality to existing customer support software.

The biggest potential problem I see is that some receipients might think the email with the link is SPAM.

jbarr

2:50 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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So then what you are saying is that I, the email recipient, should have no say or control over how I "experience" my email messages? Contrary to what many businesses think, I want targeted ads. Why? Because as a consumer, I feel that it is prudent that I make informed purchasing decisions. By including targeted ads and relevent links along side email messages, Gmail is simply doing what I already do: Providing comparative links for me to better research my purchasing decisions. The only difference is that you, the sender, know up front that because I receive targeted ads and relevent links, I choose to optionally make educated purchasing decisions.

If you wish to block my email account, go right ahead. I'll just take my business elsewhere to a company that values their customers' choices, not traps their customers into purchasing.

Chndru

3:10 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>My competitor will show up on that advertisement.

If that's the reason for blocking it, it maybe prudent to do what overture.com does with its robots.txt.

World isn't that insular yet ;)

j4mes

4:39 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I want targeted ads

Exactly.

sun818

5:01 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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> Providing comparative links for me to better research my purchasing decisions.

I equate this with a customer calling me regarding a product then telling the buyer they can also buy the product/service from these other locations. What I provide in e-mail is my time and expertise. I offer this in hopes of making the sale. I don't do it for goodwill. Same scenario as a buyer going into a retail shop to speak with an expert. They then go online to buy from another store that offers the product for less. To me, the choice that is offered in e-mail is at a crucial point of making or break the sale. I prefer the buyer not lose focus at this point.

> I'll just take my business elsewhere

No one is trapping you from making a purchase. You can research all you want - just not with my e-mail please.

[edited by: sun818 at 5:07 pm (utc) on June 8, 2004]

jbarr

5:56 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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One thing that I think really needs to be investigated further is just what ads are being delivered. An excellent example is an email message that I received from my brother-in-law that discusses my ReplayTV Digital Video Recorder. Gmail displays three targeted ads, all related to ReplayTV as well as two "related links", one of which points to ReplayTV's own site. In this example, nowhere does "TiVo" information show up. Nowhere does "ShowShifter", "Media Center", or any other competing product information show up. Yes, there are "supporting" products, but no direct competitors. Maybe, this is a fluke, but it is a real-world message.

Comments?

sun818

6:09 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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jbarr,

Post the e-mail on a test web page with your AdSense JavaScript. Then compare results.

[edited by: WebGuerrilla at 7:56 pm (utc) on June 8, 2004]

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