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My Website Position dropped suddenly in MSN

MSN Ranking dropped

     

ramachandra

11:53 am on May 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hi friends,

Till last week my website was #20 position in msn search today it has been dropped to #40 position. We have made little changes as per SEO.

Can anybody help me in finding why this is happening what might be the reason.

arran

12:08 pm on May 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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We have made little changes as per SEO.

What changes (however small) have you made? Also, has the number of inbound links to your site (or your competitors' sites) changed significantly?

steveb

9:49 pm on May 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Normalk MSN changes are usually large. Many of my pages move dozens of spots all the time.

ramachandra

7:45 am on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for ur useful opinion. I guess u guys are right.

But y changes of position is large.

thecityofgold2005

9:32 am on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Very stupid post.. my apologies!

andy_boyd

3:31 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Also had a big drop inside the last week on one site that was top 10 for a couple of months. Now down at no. 31.

Other domains ont he same IP have stayed steady at the top.

Any ideas on improving this?

arran

3:47 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Any ideas on improving this?

In decreasing order of importance:

- Aggresive link campaign (not necessarily on topic)
- Keywords in URL (especially domain)
- Slightly higher keyword density than for G/Y

andy_boyd

7:59 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Thanks arran, I've already started to get more links. :)

webzilla

8:20 pm on May 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I would concur with what arran said.

FWIW - I've had some sites move up and down and up again even without any changes done to the site on my part. At least with MSN there is reasonable hope of regaining better position. With G and Y it is often difficult to impossible.

Raymond

6:47 pm on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I am having the exact problem with MSN. Since about 2 weeks ago my ranking of ALL keywords dropped. It seems like my site was devalued for some reason. Haven't noticed a difference on G and Y though.

angiolo

8:06 pm on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Do you have a listing in Dmoz? Did you lose that listing?

I noted that Dmoz is important to rank fine in MSN.

andy_boyd

11:24 pm on May 31, 2005 (gmt 0)

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No DMOZ or Yahoo directory links to the site in question ... do either really have a big effect on MSN ranking?

angiolo

8:50 am on Jun 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Dmoz has a big effect to MSN....

andy_boyd

12:39 pm on Jun 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yeah, but getting a link from DMOZ is niggh on impossible. What about the other directories like GoGuides.org and JoeAnt.com? How do find their influence on MSN results?

steveb

7:23 pm on Jun 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Dmoz has little effect in MSN, certainly compared to Google or Yahoo. Part of the problem of course is like with everything MSN's indexing of dmoz is pathetic... about 5% of the pages Yahoo has indexed.

andy_boyd

11:07 am on Jun 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I got a couple of new incoming links on the 1st of July. MSNbot spidered and added them to the index on the same day. By the 2nd the new links were factored in and the site in question jumped about 20 places. Not bad. :)

stroudtx

7:02 am on Jun 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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wow and I thought I was the only one. our site was getting over a dozen #1 rankinks on various keywords that were key to children's boutique brands we carry.

I keep a report in excel of my rankings and on 5/26 things looked great. The wheels came off on 5/31 and the truck blew up on 6/2/05.

The only change that I made was to add the mfg name in front of the product and since my pages are dynamic this increased the keyword density for the search term. I thought this would help in Google and wound not hurt my msn rankings. Was I wrong. On 6/2 I took the mfg names down with the hope of my past glory days to return.

SEOing your site for MSN, Google, and Yahoo at the same time is proved nearly impossible so far. I hope my changes make at least MSN my favorite again real soon!

angiolo

9:02 am on Jun 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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> Dmoz has little effect in MSN ...

I have different experiences. I see sites that gain the first position only because they have a good text link in a Dmoz editor profile.

BrunoDillen

9:20 am on Jun 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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As far as I have noticed, MSN has a pretty easy logarithm. What you need, of course, is a good short title and some keyword stuffing in the body.

However I've recently found something strange. A website of mine has about 100 pages about different widgets which makes my site perfect to mess around a bit and try to find out what ranks well in MSN.

So to test it a bit I have given some of the widget pages outbound links with the main keyword in the link. Strangely, with most other factors being the same over the entire website, the ones with keywords in the outbound links rank far better than the others for those keywords.

ramachandra

11:44 am on Jun 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Sorry Arran, due to oversight I have given a wrong reply for your question.

Yes, I have modified title, meta desc, meta keyword, added h2 tags relevant to keyword and modified internal linking structure.

Today I searched for kw I was surprised to see my site on 202 position which use to be on 17 or 18 position earlier.

Receptional

8:38 am on Jun 8, 2005 (gmt 0)



Yes, I have modified title, meta desc, meta keyword, added h2 tags relevant to keyword and modified internal linking structure.

Those are HUGE changes from the algorithm's viewpoint ramachandra - especially the title modifications. Those changes will have affected keyword density as well as the link popularity.

If the results are really bad and don't fix themselves in a few days, revert to the old style and then make changes one at a time instead of wholesale to se which chaneg tripped the systems.

ramachandra

10:34 am on Jun 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Thanks Receptional.

ramachandra

7:06 am on Jun 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Massive drop again for my main kw from 40th position to 203 position, one thing i have noticed, for other 4 kw (like i got 5 kw for my site) position hasn't changed except for the main kw.

Please can anyone suggest what might be the reason in dropping drastically only the main kw.

ramachandra

10:54 am on Jun 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hey,

Today my site is back on 4 page for the kw which was showing 203 position till yesterday. I have done nothing to the site only thing I done Last week was good backlinks and might be this reason again I am gaining the postion.

I wish Next week my site should be on 1st.

Happy weekend guys

bye

larryhatch

11:18 am on Jun 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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In my little niche, different sites jump all over the place in MSN search. I can't figure it out.
In G and Y, I see what look like smallish tweeks of the knobs, punctuated by Bourbon style restructuring.
(Bourbon showed little if any effects in my niche BTW.)

In MSN, it looks more like rapid-fire large changes to the ranking algorithm itself. -Larry.

RichTC

1:31 pm on Jun 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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rama

Same for us, main keyword ranking top 10 for months then zap - some real cr@p has also entered the sector

They Must be doing something

amazing!

Oxford

1:50 pm on Jun 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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ramachandra

I've had a similar experience on msn... Was climbing in the SERP's slowly till I reached position #1. Stayed there for about 2 weeks, then suddenly today I was on the second page. MSN seems to be going through a lot of changes as of recently. I wouldn't worry too much about it... keep getting other relevant sites to link to you with your keywords in the link text and most importantly work on adding original content. Remember, the search engine game is a marathon not a sprint. Be persitent and you'll do fine in the end.

netmeg

4:55 pm on Jun 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Anyone else notice that they are no longer listing the results at the top of the page like:

31-60 results containing blahblahblah?

It was there yesterday, and today it just says Page 1, Page 2, Page 3, etc. Kind of a pain. One of my sites this week has gone from 12 words all in the top ten to some not even in the top 500 anymore, and I haven't touched any of the pages. Really weird.

RoySpencer

8:29 pm on Jun 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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There has definitely been an algorithm change. Most of our highly ranked pages (about 100 of them) dropped in the SERPs about 2 days ago...MSN traffic is way down now. From our experience with getting higher ranks than we deserved up until now, it could be MSN has reduced the weight given to (1) links from the same IP address, (2) direct keyword matches in anchor text, (3) direct keyword matches in HTML title and (4) H1 headings. I believe that one or more of these 4 elements seemed to be giving us our excellent rankings up until now.

ramachandra

11:08 am on Jun 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Oxford
> the search engine game is a marathon not a sprint.

Yeah I definitely agree with you Oxford.

Netmeg:
I too had observed, previously it was showing like “1 to 10 of total count”, now its showing as “page no of total count”, and also I have noticed that search listing count is also not correct, in the first page of search, it shows for example 1 of 3490, then if we click on second page its shows a very different count like 11 of 800, again we click on some other page again some difference in count. MSN still yet not rectified it.

Today I have noticed search domain listing count for my domain name dropped, but no change in ranking for my kw. Is anyone noticing the domain listing count down?

Thanks

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