Did I ever say I hate NN4

And I don't cotton to those who keep it

[willybfriendly]

<rant>

Arrgh!

I have one client - always pays her bills on time. Always good to work with...

She is in her 70's and WILL NOT UPGRADE FROM NN4!

Have a very nice looking site I am doing for her that renders across every modern browser. Hybrid table/css thing, almost ready to go live.

Well, given the client, I have to go back and check NN4.

It absolutely explodes. Every time the page is reloaded it looks different.

There is nothing wrong with the code. It validates, Tricky css is loaded with @import.

The fix - it appears that I need to go back and convert the whole thing into a bunch of nested tables.

Arghhh!

</rant>

Thanks guys, that helped...

WBF

[plumsauce]

well, it *is* possible to do sites that are
*mostly* stylesheet driven that work in NN4
and IE5 equally well.

you just have to check everything along the
way before it becomes a big deal.

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[TheDoctor]

What is wrong with your page looking different in different browsers?

[zoran]

Main problem with CSS and NS4 was it didn't recognize CSS in a div which is embedded in another (i.e. 2 deep) - it only recognize CSS at the 1st level div's. If you youse absolute positioning this can be easy fixed ...

[richardb]

She's probably a competitor using it just to drive U nutz ;)

[amznVibe]

This year I have created a simple link to a page on every site I make. I politely tell folks that NN4 is over 6 years old and for any reasonable experience on most sites, they need to upgrade.

I give them a link to Mozilla Firebird (there is auto-install available now) and I point out to them it's made by some of the same people that made NN4 (well that's true, though very very few at this point). I also point out that it does NOT remove their NN4 if they want to go back to it.

Using some outbound link tracking, I can tell that about 50% of the visitors using NN4 go for it. So I have done my part ;)

Here is that Firebird auto-install link [downloads.mozdev.org] if you want to try making a similar page. It installs the latest build so you don't have to worry about constantly changing a URL.

I avoid email issues since they might be using NN4 for email. They can keep using it for that as far as I care ;)