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Shaking Hands Is A Necessary Evil

at least in my business

         

lawman

1:16 pm on Sep 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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But that doesn't mean I have to like it. As a matter of fact, I wash my hands as soon as possible after a handshaking episode.

Oh, HERE'S [suntimes.com] one of the reasons.

lawman

ukgimp

1:21 pm on Sep 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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lawman

I know what you mean sometimes, especially when you see people leaving the lavvy after having a dump and NOT washing their hands. These are the same people that handle fruit at the supermarket.

So will you have your latex gloves out at pubcon?

dmorison

1:25 pm on Sep 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Don't worry too much - it's why you have an immune system. The more you feed it the stronger it gets.

lawman

1:26 pm on Sep 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>So will you have your latex gloves out at pubcon?

Won't be in London. But at the next one I'll eat enough garlic that no one will want to approach me. :)

lawman

korkus2000

1:29 pm on Sep 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Good point dmorison. People don't realize that getting sick is good for you. Helps you when you really battle something bad. Lots of studies show that people who avoid germs get very sick from weak bugs.

ukgimp

1:30 pm on Sep 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>it's why you have an immune system

That's a fact. Kids today dont eat enough soil and dirt. they all seem to have allergies. In my day you were given coal as pudding, it never did me any harm and I dont have any allergies. nuff said

lawman

1:33 pm on Sep 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm taking names. ;)

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lawman

6:25 pm on Sep 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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To the unwashed masses:

Please feel free to post. I'm not really taking names. :)

Your Friendly Neighborhood Lawman

midwestguy

6:49 pm on Sep 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I've noticed the same thing in "professional workplaces".
Gives new meaning to the phrase "employee appreciation" and "team spirit" when noticing your boss and coworkers skipping handwashing after leaving the *stalls*, let alone the urinals. Yuk.

Also, what about food service workers who both serve customers their ordered food AND clean up dirty dishes and eating utensils folks have slobbered all over between delivering folks their food? I never notice these folks washing their hands between cleaning up folk's left overs and bringing out folk's food to them.

Need I comment on public behavior at food buffets?

Did something change from the days of "bus boys" and "waitresses/servers" being separate people? Guess it's called productivity and cost savings.

Moreover, it surprises me we don't have MORE illness than we do considering the sanitary practices of many food servers at restaurants.

And speaking of public swimming pools, I'll spare you what I once saw floating by when I was a kid.

korkus2000

6:54 pm on Sep 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>Also, what about food service workers who both serve customers their ordered food AND clean up dirty dishes and eating utensils folks have slobbered all over between delivering folks their food?

I use to cook in college, and that is the least of your worries. I worked at several nice and upscale restaurants, and you don't want to know what goes on behind those doors. Just rest assured that you have a very strong immune system.

midwestguy

6:58 pm on Sep 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi Korkus2000,

Please do tell. Consider it a public service.

Fiver

8:06 pm on Sep 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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following korkus' lead, I worked in a crap resaurant as a kid, not fancy, but still put me off of the whole eating out thing for a long time.

the worst of the worst was the Greek owner dipping his hand in the big pickle jar after he got a cut because the juice helped it heal quicker.

sigh.

not a hand you'd want to shake.

not a pickle you'd want to eat.

wkitty42

8:20 pm on Sep 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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And speaking of public swimming pools, I'll spare you what I once saw floating by when I was a kid.

hehehehe, that was a candybar! we used to do that particular joke/trick all the time when i was a kid... no better way to clear out the pool for some diving or laps ;););) you should see the fun when two or three of them turn up in an olympic sized pool! *ROTFLMAO*

midwestguy

9:23 pm on Sep 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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No wkitty42, it wasn't a candy bar. I have a photographic memory of some events in my life in full color, and (sadly) that event is one of them. I clearly remember the embeded yellow kernels of corn, so it wasn't a candy bar.

bcolflesh

9:26 pm on Sep 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I clearly remember the embeded yellow kernels of corn, so it wasn't a candy bar.

That's known as an Iowa Snickers.

lawman

9:34 pm on Sep 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think we understand the pool incident.

roscoepico

9:46 pm on Sep 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Corn, one of the greatest mysteries known to man...

Webwork

2:48 pm on Sep 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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And now.....for another point of view...

(Viewer warning: Graphic imagery will follow....in your mind...so don't blame me for what you see. It's in your mind fella/ma'am, not mine.)

Each day I wake up, do the usual and just before dressing I take a shower. Every day.

After taking a nice cleansing shower, typically using my antimicrobial Safeguard soap, I towel off with a clean towel and promptly wrap my privates in nice clean undies, and then doubly insulating my you-know-whats with another layer. In the States we call them "pants". In the UK: trousers.

So, nicely cleansed, dried and stored behind 2 layers of protective garb....there they stay all day, except to momentarily peek out for the usual purposes.

My hands, by comparison, spend the day touching door knobs, railings and everything else.

So, given how well my nicely cleaned privates have been isolated from the harsh and infested environment shouldn't I be washing my hands BEFORE applying them THERE?

I mean, think about it: Cleaned, dried, wrapped, wrapped again and kept in storage all day VERSUS touch this, touch that, etc?

Furthermore, when I'm doing my business - I don't know about you - but I don't make a habit of spraying the palms of my hands. Indeed, my palms are placed such that it's altogether unlikely to happen. Also, to my understanding, what you pass is pretty well filtered water, not laden with bacteria. (I ain't takin' about any other form of activity and hand washing needs. I do have my limits of what I'll discuss. Sometimes. Maybe.)

So, all this business about shaking hands with someone visiting the lav, most likely to pee?

Okay, maybe they have a dreaded disease "down there". Ooooo. Yuk. Get out the antibiotics, but puleeeeeez, just because someone likely piddled.....

Chances are, barring some weird skin disease, the average person just touched the LEAST disease laden surface they will touch all day.

OBTW: Yes, I will rinse my hands but often wonder: First, you have to touch the on/off knob. God knows what's on that. Then, you have to touch the knob on the paper towel dispenser. God knows what's on that. Then, lastly, you get to open the lavatory door - pull the handle. GOD only knows what's on that.

So, relax. No matter what you are going to do in this life, you are going to get evicted from the planet. God gave us an immune system. Use it. Too much of this fastidiness and we will eventually culture microbes that will be resistant to all manner of chemicals and biologicals.

And remember: In some cultures toilet paper is not commonly in use. So please employ the correct hand when greeting. The wrong hand extended can get you killed, not by microbes but by offending the more touchy recipient of your gesture.

buckworks

2:58 pm on Sep 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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shouldn't I be washing my hands BEFORE applying them THERE?

One my neighbours once wished he'd done exactly that ... he went to "use the faciities" after he'd been eating jalapeno peppers in the bar.

Mike12345

3:12 pm on Sep 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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....considering the sanitary practices of many food servers at restaurants.
- reminds me of "Down and out in London and Paris" Something about the cleaner it looks the dirtier it is!

I dont eat in public places very often, apart from the odd italian. (An Italian restaurant that is! i dont eat people!) Im too paranoid. I dont swim in public simming pools either, following an incident similar to the one Midwestguy was faced with.

I think it was Webwork that mentioned all the bacteria on toilet door handles and in public facilities in general, well id like to add that even the sinks are unhygienic! I accidently mistook one for a urinal once (I swear it was very convincing) and was only able to clean it with water, think of the germs!

Im gonna stop rambling now, all this talk of bacteria and the like is making me itch, time for a shower i think!

tosspot17

3:36 pm on Sep 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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- reminds me of "Down and out in London and Paris" Something about the cleaner it looks the dirtier it is!

A great book;

"I shall never again think that all tramps are drunken scoundrels, nor expect a beggar to be grateful when I give him a penny, nor be surprised if men out of work lack energy, nor subscribe to the Salvation Army, nor pawn my clothes, nor refuse a handbill, nor enjoy a meal at a smart restaurant. That is a beginning."

:)

Webwork

12:52 am on Sep 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'll bet you think nothing of prompting your favorite pooch to eat what you drop on the kitchen floor AND expecting him to enjoy it. I mean, after all, he licks his .... and sniffs the neighbor's dog's ....., so what about eating a little ice cream you dropped on the kitchen floor?

I wonder if dogs have a different immune system? I've never heard such, but by god, what dogs do and get away with....

Whatever a dog has going for it immune system wise they should replicate in a vaccine, patent and distribute to humankind.

Then I could stop lamenting about the ice cream I dropped on the floor...

Of course, I think my dog would like me a lot less.

Marcia

12:57 am on Sep 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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On the same note, I'm glad that kids stop eating boogers when they grow up. Otherwise we'd never be able to kiss anybody.

korkus2000

1:48 am on Sep 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Dogs have a massive enzyme factory in their saliva. We have only a fraction of what they have to take care of germs. It is an old tradition to have dogs lick open wounds to clean out the bacteria. I would not be concerned with them eating something bad.

Webwork

3:20 am on Sep 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thank-you for that image Marcia. I'm certain to have it on my mind next time I engage in a lip lock.

"Honey?"

"Yes dear?"

"Are you coming to bed soon?"

"Yes dear."

"Did you brush your teeth?"

"Yes, dear."

"And did you spit out that booger I saw you sneak while reading the Wall Street Journal?"

"Awww, do I have to?"

midwestguy

6:53 pm on Sep 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Can anyone else tell it's Friday? :-)

glengara

7:09 pm on Sep 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Remeber the mints at the restaurant check-outs?
They tested some, can you guess what they found?

davewray

3:54 am on Sep 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Huh? Did I miss something here? We stop eating boogers when we grow up? ;) hehehe *Sorry dear, didn't see you there*..hehe

shelleycat

4:54 am on Sep 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I wonder if dogs have a different immune system? I've never heard such, but by god, what dogs do and get away with....

I think you'll find it's more about their digestive system. Dogs are natural scavangers and are built to match. The saliva is also part of it, most animals have antibacterial factors in their spit along with all kind of other things to help promote wound healing. Makes sense when you consider they don't generally use sticking plasters :D

As for washing your hands, we should be getting grossed out by those who don't do it before eating more than those who don't do it after going to the toilet (although both are obviously important). This is more likely to make them sick yet I never see it happening when people eat their lunch at work. The bacteria has to be ingested somehow and it's much more likely to occur by mouth than through your skin, since cuts in the skin are generally protected by the antibaterial activity of serum. There is some study I've seen linked around the place showing a average desk is much dirtier than a toilet seat, yet most people are fine about putting their hands all over one then grabbing their sandwichs.

dmorison

5:58 am on Sep 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You shouldn't ever have to wash your towels...
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