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Destroy "pirate" PC's

says Senator - BBC article

         

Marketing Guy

2:42 pm on Jun 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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[news.bbc.co.uk...]

I wrote a huge rant on how out of order i think this idea is, but i decided to give the mods and admin a break! ;)

Scott

pixel_juice

2:56 pm on Jun 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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...new technology which would remotely destroy the computers of people who illegally download music tracks

damaging computers "may be the only way you can teach someone about copyright".

Or smashing up people's houses is the only way you can teach them not to steal.

Time for the techno-war, and I know who my money's gonna be on ;)

lawman

3:22 pm on Jun 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Apparently two warnings = due process to the esteemed senator.

lawman

Mike12345

3:24 pm on Jun 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Or smashing up people's houses is the only way you can teach them not to steal.
- Or make them face the death penalty to teach them not to Kill - yeah that worked ;)

bcolflesh

3:28 pm on Jun 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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This is all part of the UK's "Stomp out Violence" campaign.

Regards,
Brent

ggrot

3:30 pm on Jun 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well, it might help drive sales of Linux. Run Linux, or else have your computer destroyed from the security flaws in Windows.

dvduval

3:32 pm on Jun 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"IF" I were a pirate, I would simply use one "test PC" and reformat as necessary. In addition, once the destructive files were identified, nobody would share them. Also, where would they be releasing: newsgroups, Kazaa, Emule, Overnet, IRC, or the many other networks? I think the Senator has awefully high hopes.

unknownsoldier

4:54 pm on Jun 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Viva MP3 and down with Orrin Hatch.

juniperwasting

5:21 pm on Jun 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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So Mr.Hatch, the man who brought us such wonderful success stories like mandatory minimum sentences, and other judicial restraints now wants to wage war on "pirates".

I have personally found this man to be one of the foulest people on earth, and he again justifies my opinion.

This could almost make a movie, "Hackers 2 ~ The Utah Factor"...

Skylo

8:54 am on Jun 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"Hackers 2 ~ The Utah Factor"...

What a chump. I live all the way down in Sunny South Africa and just have to wonder about people in government. They always seem to bring in these unrealistic goals that are just way over the top or they just won't be able to implement them properly.
I mean imagine what a stir there would be in the internet community if this actually had to be passed by congress. They would be absolutely bombarded by angry hackers......good maybe they should pass it;-)

cminblues

9:10 am on Jun 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It's so funny to watch at this people claiming nonsense after nonsense about the perhaps _only_ planet's area they dont own.

Moreover, I agree, that would be a great promo for linux pc's sales :)

nancyb

3:21 pm on Jun 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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my fingers are just itching to make a comment on the current political mindset around these parts but, I will be good, I will be good, I will be good .....

bcolflesh

3:41 pm on Jun 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Just do it nancyb!

nancyb

3:49 pm on Jun 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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should clarify - "these parts" did not mean WebmasterWorld.

bcolflesh - TOS forbids that kind of comment, and rightly so, it's just hard sometimes to behave :)

locke

8:42 pm on Jun 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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http: //www.sltrib.com/2003/Jun/06192003/utah/67427.asp

Hatch Downplays Cyber Threat

lawman

9:14 pm on Jun 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"I do not favor extreme remedies -- unless no moderate remedies can be found," said Hatch, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Be funny if one of his grandchildren downloaded music stuff on granddaddy Hatch's computer, ignored the warning, and granddaddy Hatch's list-o-babes was destroyed.

dvduval

3:42 am on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It looks like Senator Hatch's website is suspected of piracy!

[wired.com...]

pixel_juice

9:45 am on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hahahaha :)

Hope that means I can take a sledgehammer to our old friend Hatch's PC ;)

ukgimp

9:57 am on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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h*ttp://amish.blogmosis.com/archives/012511.html

Points out here that he is using lifted code in his website ;)

locke

5:21 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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As if to prove he's not entirely evil:

Hatch bill targets e-spam senders

http: //deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,510034194,00.html?

volatilegx

5:30 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What's really hilarious is that he thinks it can be done in the first place. If somebody develops a new sound compression format that destroys a computer if transmitted illegally, why would anybody use it? MP3 format still exists, and works fine.

Somebody also had a point about due process. We have something in the U.S. called a Constitution that prevents seizure of property without due process. I'm sure this would also be interpreted to include destruction of private property without due process.

juniperwasting

7:37 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Mr. Hatch really makes me furious, so I will try to curtail my emotions here.

We have something in the U.S. called a Constitution that prevents seizure of property without due process.

Mr.Hatch was instrumental in the creation of Drug War laws allowing the federal government to seize property with or without a conviction.

I feel Mr.Hatch and his "Lott" find

Amendment VI (In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state)

and

Amendment IV (The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures)

to be obstacles in their path toward moral rule.

j

bcolflesh

7:57 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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That about sums it up juniperwasting!

pixel_juice

8:36 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>What's really hilarious is that he thinks it can be done in the first place.

Granted, his talk of 'smoldering PCs' is pretty far fetched. But in reality, they're talking about DOS attacks against sites and servers that they consider to be a threat. It's not mp3s they're talking about here - his threat is to anyone on the internet who doesn't fit with people like Hatch and his small-minded puppetmasters.

On the file sharing front, I don't know if anyone else has come across a recent case by the RIAA who sued [ecommercetimes.com] 4 students [cen.uiuc.edu] for $97,800,000,000. The students made an search engine that indexed mp3s. As was to be expected, the $60,000 that was actually awarded will not go to the artists the RIAA care about so much, but to "reimburse the industry's anti-piracy efforts"...

atadams

11:50 am on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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[wired.com...]

Ouch. Now Hatch has gotten burned by a link on his to site to an expired domain. It use to point to a Utah search site, now it points to a porn site!

xenoraptor

11:09 am on Jun 23, 2003 (gmt 0)



i dont think that people having their computers destroyed if there is illegal music on their system. Some people will remove all download records from their system, hide the music on CDs and then it wont be found on their system.

what is an "illegal download" anyway?
wouldnt it get a bit confusing if an mp3 from a pirate site was exactly the same as one from an official site? How would they tell the difference?

i dont really think they are gonna be able to pass that idea, it would cause what the people working in those places call 'extra work', besides the fact that it would cause massive disorders led by people who have had their computers destroyed...

if im wrong in any of the above, please correct me...im new at forums...

caine

11:20 am on Jun 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Extremely messy to implement, but if it wins him vote's - let him rant and rave