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Matrix Reloaded

.... There Is No Spoon

         

EliteWeb

5:03 pm on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Who will be seeing Matrix Reloaded? In many states and theaters across the globe the movie is opening tonight (5.14). The theater in my town has the first showing at 10PM tonight, and we already have people from our group in the line waiting.

Going to see it, or have you seen the trailers [apple.com] yet? Im hyped about this film :D

knighty

2:23 pm on May 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>why didn't he just launch himself into space straight away instead of fighting with 20+ agents!

1) smith is neo's nemesis, he beat him previously so why cant he beat him again.

2) He probably relishes the chance to kick his multple arses and enjoys the challenge.

3) neo doesnt realise just how many agents there are until they all pile on top of him.

4) it matches neos character in that he refuses to give up - in the M1 he keeps fight smith in the subway even though neo keeps getting the stuffing knocked out of him - only after many attempts does he finally give up and flee - this scene is exactly the same.

5) maybe he can figure out why smith is able to copy himself

juniperwasting

2:39 pm on May 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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6) It makes for a better fight scene in a movie

Workerbee

3:07 pm on May 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have to say, overall I was disappointed with Matrix: Reloaded, though I did find it entertaining. I think the revelations at the end could have been absolutely stunning if they had presented them more dramatically. I thought the kiss with Persephone was stupid. What a dumb idea. There were a lot of other things that didn't make any sense at all to me, and that they should have gotten rid of to tighten up the story and focus on the origins of Zion, etc.

The fight scene with the multiple Smiths was not that great, but I think maybe the reason Neo didn't fly out of there right away was that he needed to sort of stop and gather strength or whatever first, and by the time he realized there were zillions of Smiths, he didn't have time to do that.

georgeek

3:14 pm on May 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What is the significance of the handing over of the spoon? Can anyone recall if it is the same spoon as the one the little boy was practising telekinesis on in M1?

Stephen Tiller

3:21 pm on May 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have seen it (UK) for those interested there will definitely be another sequel! Enjoyed the fight scenes immensely.

knighty

3:49 pm on May 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>There were a lot of other things that didn't make any sense at all to me

LOL, that is exaxtly the point of the Matrix and Matrix Reloaded they are both deep and complex films with many hidden meanings and subtexts.

I love the first one because every time I watch it I learn something new and I think the second one will be the same. They require multiple viewings to really appreciate these films.

As for the spoon I just think it was a wink at the audience that one of the potentials from the first film had made it out of the Matrix and stopped neo from being stabbed by bane. (destiny)

Go2

3:50 pm on May 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I haven't had time to see Reloaded but I did watch the first Matrix on TV the other day. When watching it for the second time I realized what an amazing piece of work this film is. I think that the plot has to be one of the most elaborate ever in film history. The most intriguing aspect of the film is really its plausibility. Since most of the action occurs in an artifical cyberworld powered by human drones in a massively parallel network simulation everything is conceivable...even the Agents make sense in such a world.

It leads me to wonder what it is that powers our reality...

Sinner_G

6:57 pm on May 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It leads me to wonder what it is that powers our reality...

We do, through the warmth we produce...

kevinpate

2:45 pm on May 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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> We do, through the warmth we produce

That's right, coppertop! 8^)

Reloaded Fight scenes (all)
10% useful to the movie, 70% promo for the obligatory game CD, 20% sop for the theater jumper age bracket.

Staying til the end of the credits:
dull. Best thing I can note is that the
congestion in the parking lot had LONG since
disappeared by the time we finally got outside.

Zion: the drawer where defective batteries are kept?

Oh well, perhaps they'll make up for it this fall in #3.

mavherick

3:24 pm on May 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Now about that spoon that Neo receive just before take off, what could it mean?

Well, if we remember that little boy in M1, he's playing with a spoon "inside the Matrix" right? Now he somehow got to Zion, so he's "outside the Matrix" right? So that spoon has to be from the "real world" since you can't bring anything back. Now did he simply hammered that spoon (it's all dented), or is he just trying to hint Neo that they're in a second layer of the Matrix.... That would tie in with the other hints like agent Smith getting in Zion and Neo stopping those machine at the end.... anybody?

mavherick

Sinner_G

3:41 pm on May 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Wow, nice theory mavherick! I thought it was just a wink for Matrix freaks, but your idea makes more sense. Would especially explain why that kid wanted Neo to have it before he left. Now can anyone remember if it is the same spoon as in episode 1?

mavherick

5:22 pm on May 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It can't be the same spoon. There's 2 possibilities:

1) There's only one layer, the Matrix and Zion (real world). So the spoon in the Matrix is only computer code, and therefor the spoon given to Neo in M2 is simply a "real spoon" to act as a symbol of some kind.

2) There's two (possibly more) layer of the Matrix. That is a Matrix inside another Matrix. So the spoon in M1 is computer code as is the second one, we could argue here that those spoon are different, like two different instance of the same code...

I think I'm trying too hard!

mavherick

lawman

5:56 pm on May 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I bet some of you guys have never missed a Star Trek Convention. :)

lawman

ScottM

6:40 pm on May 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Lawman:

"Live long and convert"
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:>)

mahlon

7:29 pm on May 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thumbs up! I love the Ducati scene!

I was thinking the spoon was from the future, it shows a lot of wear. Did anyone have deja-vu in this one?

Should have been "Matrix Reinstalled"

I also saw The Italian Job, good fun flick!

Sinner_G

9:15 pm on May 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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mavherick, I think there are 2 layers, but why couldn't the spoon be the same one (i.e. the kid could have taken it with him)? But anyways, I checked, the spoon in M1 is new, so if it hasn't been used everyday since, it's not the same.

lawman, what's a Star Trek Convention? Is that what you call a meeting of diplomats from the different races here on Earth?

mahlon, nothing else in Zion really shows wear (everything old-fashioned but in very good shape), so why should a spoon?

lawman

9:42 pm on May 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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lawman, what's a Star Trek Convention? Is that what you call a meeting of diplomats from the different races here on Earth?

Sinner_G:

Methinks thou dost protest too much. Nice try Trekkie. ;)

lawman

kevinpate

10:11 pm on May 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hab SoSlI' Quch! [kli.org]

lawman

11:49 pm on May 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hab SoSlI' Quch!

Ha! I don't speak the language, but I understand the intent, Trekkie.

lawman

caine

11:53 pm on May 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Just got back from seeing it.

out of 5 of us, 3 preferred the first and didn't really soak up the open ending of the second, whereas myself and another enjoyed it and like the idea of the open ending, as a preq to the last coming out in later this year.

copongcopong

4:50 am on May 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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its like ... those who preferred the first one is like morpheus who refused to believe that the oracle is not true.

We'll we have a different taste of entertainment. :)

decaff

7:43 pm on Jul 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well, I for one was sorely disappointed with Matrix Reloaded (or more specifically, Wallets Unloaded )

What made the first one so interesting was the complex story line and the, then, new visual effects being deployed..I expected to see these visual affects being over exploited in the second film (I wasn't let down)...and the fight sequences...let me take a nap...where's my Bruce Lee archive...there we go that's the stuff...

I expected to see more on Zion, being that this is supposed to be the last bastion of human kind and the flesh grinding sequence...please...not that I have anything against flesh grinding mind you...I have few caluses of my own..(to a seventies disco beat...come on..get serious...at least it should have been authentic Afro-Cuban...the high-hat cymbals and all other metal parts of the drumset would have been melted down and reused in a closed, resource hungry underground society long ago...the drummer's out of business)...and all we "hear" is that the 250,000 sentinels destroyed the place...there would have been a sequence to try and pull off...

The highly anticipated and suspect love scene between Neo and Trinity with the 15 censors standing off camera arguing about butt cracks and being permanently turned off sexually as they endured this manufactured sterility..
not the Wachowski brothers strong point...

The bit about the Matrix being Version 6 was interesting and that Neo was a test anamoly to work out the bugs for the next software iteration...cool idea...and I am fan of Hugo Weaving (he was great in the first 2 Lord of the Rings...just enough involvement but already over the whole thing...nice touch)

Morpheus was compelling in the first but his involvement in the second was more on the adminstrative side...

I can only hope that Resurrection lives up to it's name and saves the trilogy...

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