Welcome to WebmasterWorld Guest from 18.207.136.184

Forum Moderators: open

Message Too Old, No Replies

"Happy Cows" vs PETA

     
4:32 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member

joined:Sept 7, 2000
posts:1720
votes: 0


Ads that try to get you to believe that cows are happy when they're really miserable should not be allowed just because they are sponsored by the government," said Matthew Penzer, PETA's legal counsel.

USA Today [usatoday.com]

4:42 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

Senior Member from GB 

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member

joined:Jan 16, 2003
posts:1958
votes: 13


The government is exempt from advertising laws?

Laws like, ooh say...not lying to people?

Not good news. :(

Scott

4:52 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member

joined:Apr 26, 2001
posts:1422
votes: 0


Udder nonsense imho.
4:55 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member digitalghost is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member

joined:Feb 23, 2002
posts:3687
votes: 0


I spoke to a PETA rally organizer that insisted that all dairy cattle should be set free...

It was quite apparent that she had never been near a dairy farm, certainly hadn't been near any dairy cattle and certainly didn't understand the consequences of simply turning diary cattle loose, as some fools had previously been doing.

I've been on more than one dairy farm and certainly didn't see any grassless wastelands populated with sad cows...

Do you think it is possible that the case was thrown out because the method for determining a cow's mood might not meet any legal burden of proof? ;)

5:24 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member

joined:Feb 25, 2003
posts:972
votes: 0


To do list of a cow...

Wake up
Eat grass
Go to barn and get nipples sucked
Eat high qualiy grain
Chew cudd
Afternoon nap
Eat grass
Chew cudd
Eat grass
Go to bed

To do list of a bull...
Wake up
Eat grass
Find cow in heat
Have sex
Chew cudd
Afternoon nap
Eat grass
Chew cudd
Eat grass
Find another cow in heat
Have sex
Go to bed

I'll trade for either one of those any day of the week.

5:43 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

Full Member

10+ Year Member

joined:Dec 12, 2000
posts:237
votes: 0


PETA is a bunch of goobers. Most of them have no real clue what goes on at a dairy. I know someone who works on a dairy and cows have a good life. They get fed for free, sleep, have babies, and go to the bathroom when ever they want to. I mean come on thats good, I bet the cows have it better than the PETA folks.
5:44 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member

joined:June 5, 2001
posts:2732
votes: 11


I buy stuff because of the Happy Cows, in fact they changed my diet so im now a healthy person.

The cows are happy I eat cheese and eat them. :)

6:00 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member

joined:Nov 29, 2000
posts:1425
votes: 0


Some even have their own waterbeds [news.bbc.co.uk] :)
10:13 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

Junior Member

10+ Year Member

joined:Jan 9, 2003
posts:180
votes: 0


Here in South Africa we tend to ignore govenment advertising, however some poeple get upset about that large software comany's adverts when they claim their products are secure [itweb.co.za].
10:51 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member mivox is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member

joined:Dec 6, 2000
posts:3928
votes: 0


PETA is a bunch of goobers. Most of them have no real clue what goes on at a dairy.

PETA is a bunch of goobers. However, a lot of American industrial livestock producers are goobers also. Don't get me started about inhumane treatment of livestock... Setting the animals loose is, of course, about the same as shooting them -- only slower and more painful -- but that doesn't mean the cows are "happy" under the present circumstances...

And beef stockyards are even less of a walk in the park for the cattle than the dairy industry... that's where you see muddy pens full of unhappy animals who have to be kept on antibiotics all the time because the conditions in which they're kept during "finishing" would kill them all otherwise.

I look for animal products with things like "free range," "hormone free," "grass fed," and "organic" on the labels...

The government is exempt from advertising laws?
Laws like, ooh say...not lying to people?

Scary thought, innit?

11:21 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

Full Member

10+ Year Member

joined:Dec 12, 2000
posts:237
votes: 0


Instead of shooting them they now use a phenumatic sp? little punch that enters into the brain.
11:38 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

Preferred Member

10+ Year Member

joined:Aug 25, 2001
posts:467
votes: 0


That udder joke was pretty baaaad. (cough)
11:39 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member digitalghost is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member

joined:Feb 23, 2002
posts:3687
votes: 0


>>Instead of shooting them they now use a phenumatic

Shooting them? News to me, lots of folks just whacked them between the eyes with a sledge. Shells cost money. Pneumatic "punches" are quite common now though.

11:43 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member

joined:Apr 21, 2001
posts:2492
votes: 2


it could always be worse. I was told about a film where an individual climed into the carcus of an animal (dead of course). grime stuff.
12:06 am on Mar 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

Senior Member from US 

WebmasterWorld Senior Member lawman is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month

joined:May 28, 2001
posts:3615
votes: 75


I don't care if the cows are happy; as long as they are contented.
12:08 am on Mar 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

Preferred Member

10+ Year Member

joined:June 30, 2000
posts:549
votes: 0


...as long as they are tender and juicy.
12:08 am on Mar 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member

joined:Apr 21, 2001
posts:2492
votes: 2


Lawman,

explain to me what a contended cow is - please lol's

contension in telecomms - get it
contention in electronics - get it
contention in music - get it
contention in a cow - ye say what?

12:17 am on Mar 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

Senior Member from US 

WebmasterWorld Senior Member lawman is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month

joined:May 28, 2001
posts:3615
votes: 75


Carnation used to advertise that it's condensed milk came from contented cows. And of course we are obsessed with content around here. Quite a stretch for a play on words, but I've had a bad week.

lawman

12:21 am on Mar 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

Full Member

10+ Year Member

joined:Dec 12, 2000
posts:237
votes: 0


caine thats contented as in content.

Some of the slaughter houses used .22 rifles to be humain. Some people dont think cows were ment to be eaten. However, the slaugther houses decided that a rifle was better than a sledge hammer and a phenumatic punch was better than a .22 rifle.

I like my steak medium rare with mashed taters and gravy, no greens on the plate. mmmmmmmmmm good stuff.

12:26 am on Mar 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member mivox is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member

joined:Dec 6, 2000
posts:3928
votes: 0


I never said slaughterhouses shot cows. ;) I was trying to make the ironic point that if PETA is so concerned about humane treatment, they'd be better off shooting the cows than setting them "free" as a "free" domestic cow will -- in short order -- become a dead domestic cow through less pleasant means.
12:31 am on Mar 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

Full Member

10+ Year Member

joined:Dec 6, 2002
posts:279
votes: 0


I think those "happy cow" commercials were specifically designed (at least in CA) to counter those disgusting 2 miles of I-5 (major north/south highway in california) where the harris ranch is located.
12:32 am on Mar 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

Senior Member from US 

WebmasterWorld Senior Member lawman is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month

joined:May 28, 2001
posts:3615
votes: 75


Live free or die; Don't tread on me; I regret that I have but ...

do you think the cows will understand?

12:33 am on Mar 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member digitalghost is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member

joined:Feb 23, 2002
posts:3687
votes: 0


>>become a dead domestic cow through less pleasant means.

You'd be suprised at the number of people that think cows can milk themselves. ;) They are generally in the same group that think roosters are needed at henhouses so that hens can lay eggs.

That's the same group of people that don't know which end of a cow gets up first, or which end of a horse gets up first for that matter...

1:06 am on Mar 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

Administrator from US 

WebmasterWorld Administrator brett_tabke is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month

joined:Sept 21, 1999
posts:38255
votes: 113


>no clue what goes on at a dairy

I've been around farming most of my life. Of all the modern farm animals, dairy cows are by far and away the best cared for. There are former dairy barns north of here, that have been converted into houses they are so nice and well built.
Cows today get fans when it's hot, heat when it's cold, some barns are air conditioned, radios (they love 50's rock, and slim whitman), they get the best hay, some get water beds, their barns cleaned twice a day, they have doctors on call 24hrs a day, and lots of tlc.

kept on antibiotics all the time because the conditions in which they're kept during "finishing" would kill them all otherwise.

Most hogs, many cow breeds, and of course many dogs, can not survive in the wild because of breeding. One of the pushes in breeding programs over the last 10 years has been to try to breed back in some resiliance to breeds that are now dependent upon antibiotics to survive.
It's not about the conditions that cause them to be dependent on antibiotics, it's about they way they have been breed. (mostly for the last 30 years because farmland is too expensive to be cost effective).

>with things like "free range,"

Gamey, and tough.

>"hormone free,"

road kill.

>"grass fed,"

All milk cows are "grass fed". Hay is their primary diet. (with juicey protien, and a salt lick for desert).

>"organic" on the labels...

Not sustainable at this point.

>now use a phenumatic

Slaughter houses I know of use electricity. Less than a 1/2 second jolt.

This thread has been rated at 9 out 10 on the troll scale mackin ;-)

1:06 am on Mar 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member

joined:Apr 21, 2001
posts:2492
votes: 2


is that back and then front or am i wrong not sure
1:10 am on Mar 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member

joined:Apr 21, 2001
posts:2492
votes: 2


Brett,

did'nt realise you were around - i forgot about one of your old sites, thanks for the clarification on the reality of the farming industry in its many guises.

1:11 am on Mar 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member digitalghost is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member

joined:Feb 23, 2002
posts:3687
votes: 0


Back of a cow, front of horse. :)
1:17 am on Mar 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member

joined:Apr 21, 2001
posts:2492
votes: 2


DH,

thats why i said back then front, in a respective sense from your statement. Amazing what you can learn from the TV. I must pass the idiot test. Its all morality based arguments < problem with studying philosophy, the logic wins on what is the justification for the argument

1:24 am on Mar 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member digitalghost is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member

joined:Feb 23, 2002
posts:3687
votes: 0


I grew up on a farm and the practicalities of living on a farm preclude worrying about whether the animals are happy or sad, just that they produce.

In short, keeping the animals "contented" seems to work best for the animals and the farmer. Keeping the dairy cows out of the new onions might not make the cows happy but it does keep the milk drinkers happy.

Moooving along...

1:33 am on Mar 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

Senior Member from US 

WebmasterWorld Senior Member lawman is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month

joined:May 28, 2001
posts:3615
votes: 75


You really seem to know a lot about bovine and equine DG. What about procine and ovine? How many other ines are there anyway?

lawman

This 44 message thread spans 2 pages: 44
 

Join The Conversation

Moderators and Top Contributors

Hot Threads This Week

Featured Threads

Free SEO Tools

Hire Expert Members