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AdSense revenue dropped with Google rankings

Any relation to source of traffic and smart pricing?

         

ysari

5:40 pm on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)



I'm a longtime lurker and first time poster here. I've been an Adsense publisher since 2003 and my main site has been around since 1997. I have very good metrics, earning $500+ per day. My site is pretty established and either #2 or #1 on my main keyword.

However, yesterday, things nosedived. For the first time in years, I earned only $100+ the whole day. I lost 1/3 of my ad impressions. My CTR decreased by 40%, and my eCPM also decreased by about 30%. Things tanked bigtime, in a way I've never seen before.

I checked with my stat software and found that traffic from Google decreased. I don't think I'm penalized because I am still showing in the serps, albeit now #5 for my main keyword. When I do site:www.domain.com, I still see 22,000 results. My backlicks even increased the past weeks. But I think I lost top ranking in medium to low traffic keywords, accounting for the drastic cut in traffic. Site is totally white hat (I don't even use H1 tags and all), and I don't buy traffic at all.

I lost top ranking before for my main keyword but Adsense earnings did not follow the trend and remained on track. Yesterday and today, things are going downhill with my Adsense metrics going down the toilet. My questions are:

(a) Does Google discount and smart price more significantly non-Google traffic?
(b) Any suggestions on how I can climb back up?

I have a diversified source of income, but Adsense is a big chunk. But now it seems I really need to work harder on improving my non-Adsense revenue.

Thanks for your help.

nutsandbolts

5:48 pm on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Many others are seeing similar drops/sites disappearing over the past few days....

oddsod

5:49 pm on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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First, welcome to WW.

To answer your two questions

1. I don't believe there's any evidence that Smartpricing differentiates based on source of traffic. The official line is that it's based on conversions, of course, but that hides a whole multitude of sins and there could be some big discrepancies/errors in allocating smartpricing values to websites/pages. But that's another story.

2. Yes. First, do nothing with the site i.e. make no changes. Take stock, analyse logs, and Adsense stats. Compare before and after. Then analyse it all again. It may be that your problem isn't an Adsense one at all but one of traffic/traffic quality/people entering on different pages.

stargeek

5:52 pm on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I saw a drop in cpc when the eCPM stats were added, and i'm just now seeing it go back up, over the past few weeks.

incrediBILL

5:56 pm on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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One day is not a statistical sampling, it's a blip, if it continues a week that's a problem.

Also consider there are a lot of people in Florida, Texas, Louisiana and Mississippi that probably aren't sitting at computers at the moment, assuming they have electricity in the first place, as they are fleeing or recovering from hurricane damage and the rest of the country may be glued to the tube as Rita rolls in.

Not to mention it's back to school (homework) and the new TV shows have all just started opposed to the summer reruns which is dragging people away from computers as well.

I suspect the next week or two will be a tad slow, just a speculation.

cws3di

6:04 pm on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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ysari - The 4th largest city in the US just evacuated yesterday, not to mention a large portion of the Gulf Coast.

Depending on your niche or sector, that is a huge amount of traffic loss all by itself.

I think that many people also saw a drop in traffic just before and during the Katrina hurricane that hit New Orleans. It is possible that during large news incidents, a lot of typical web surfers have their eyes on the news and other sectors drop temporarily.

Maybe just sit tight and wait to see if traffic goes back to normal soon?

ysari

6:09 pm on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)



I hope so. But it's just a tremendous drop for me. I've never experienced a severe traffic drop as this since 9/11 attack. Summer lull comes and goes; school starts and ends - but nothing this low and drastic. It's like I'm back to where I was in 2003 in terms of Adsense revenues. And this is the first time it happened to me since June 2003 when I joined the program

TammyJo

6:12 pm on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My site is experiencing the SAME trend, with almost the same metrics description you gave (except the site has been online since 2000).

I've been running YPN on smaller sites with higher revenue, but waited to implement it on our larger site. I decided to remove the adsense code today and run YPN. So far so good, income is comparable to a normal Friday when we were top in Google search.

The sad part for Google, in my niche I didn't see any sites listed on page one displaying adsense code. This probably has nothing to do with the search results themselves, but it does mean all the revenue we were generating no longer exhists with this new search algo.

Adsense has been good, and it has been a good source of income, yet like their company, I will search for the most profitable option :)

incrediBILL

6:12 pm on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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BTW, did your CTR and number of clicks drop or just the earnings?

One other event that just happened is AdWords increased the limit of blocked sites from 25 to 500. Not knowing the quality of your site, any chance advertisers added you to their blocked list?

Jenstar

6:12 pm on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Please keep this thread AdSense-specific.

All discussion about rankings (or lack thereof) in Google should go here:
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ken_b

6:14 pm on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My advice would be to do nothing with the site right now.

These bumps happen from time to time. If it's just a few days or even a couple weeks, changing things on the site could really screw you up.

And with the traffic drop it may have nothing to do with Adsense anyway. It could be that the traffic source you lost just generated a higher CTR.

And traffic drops, like Adsense drops, can be temporary. Messing with the site might only make things worse.

I lost about 10% of my traffic, and 30% of my income the first part of February. I did nothing to fix that. March bounced right back up and things have been fine since.

I know it's uncomfortable to see this stuff happen, but rushing into changes could very well hurt in the long run.

ysari

6:17 pm on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)



My CTR and ecpm tanked as well. CTR is about half of what it used to be. The lowest in years, and the most severe drop. The site has been top ranked for years in my niche, and I saw CPM ads on my site back when you guys first started talking about it in spring so I don't think quality is an issue (I still see CPM ads today).

ysari

6:21 pm on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)



My husband is telling me the exact same thing - calm down and wait. I am in full-on panic mode today. Yesterday I was just hoping it was an update delay when I was seeing abysmal numbers -- though I noticed that no one created a thread about it here on this forum when many guys here would immediately complain about stats delay. So I thought probably things will be on its normal course when I wake up, only to find the same abysmal numbers.

I had a decrease in traffic last year as well (though not as severe) but my metrics - ECPM, CTR and revenues -- were on course (revenue even increased). So I am just alarmed that everything this time went down with the traffic.

TammyJo

6:47 pm on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I agree, don't change anything for the short term. I should have mentioned my decision to change the site was already being contemplated and this drop in search & adsense revenue just moved me to take the plunge and test YPN....now is as good a time as any to test it.

This is just what I have decided to do until results return, not saying that it would be for eveyone.