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PalX

1:53 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I donít know if the other realized this, but the forum is not what it used to be.

The forum used to be a place for great advises, now itís just a place where newbies come and ask stupid questions (95% of the questions shouldnít be asked if they read the Adsese TOS)

I may not have many posts, but I rather read all the old topics rather then posting unimportant posts, most of the newbies should do the same (reading the old posts will help them finding their answers)

We must save this forum

tomda

2:32 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yeah, it is may be true...
Meanwhile, they are also some guys who keep posting in the wrong forum ;)

This is another way to

save this forum

In fact, your history tells me you only post in the Adsense forum. I personnally think that WW is sometimes too much Adsense related. You see what I mean. Make money is a priority but helping newbies not really.

curlykarl

2:43 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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click [webmasterworld.com ] :)

aeiouy

3:03 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Nice categorizing newbie questions as stupid.

I bet you were a newbie once yourself...

With an attitude like that you will be hard pressed to contribute to a useful forum environment.

ken_b

3:26 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The quality of responses may be more important than the quality of the questions.

ann

8:07 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I love newbies and will do all I can on my sites to hold their hands so they will have an entertaining and comfortable visit.

Most of my visitors are newbies so are they a good part of the rest of you. With computer sales booming who do you think just might be buying them?

Anyway, I answer their emails and try to help them as much as possible. God bless the newbies. ;)

Give them a good experience and they will bookmark you and be back.

Ann

P.S.

I have met some highly intelligent people who is completly lost when they get that first computer but they soon learn and they learn where to go for the 'friendly' sites.

europeforvisitors

8:26 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)




Nice categorizing newbie questions as stupid.

PalX didn't say the newbies were stupid; he (or she) said the questions were stupid.

The real problem, IMHO, is that many new members are too lazy to read old threads (or even to read the AdSense TOS and FAQ). This problem certainly isn't exclusive to this forum, or to Webmaster World in general, but it does seem to to occur more often than it did a few months ago. Perhaps Webmaster World is becoming a victim of its own success.

relicx

8:52 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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There is a similar thread about this topic on another popular AdSense forum, but the idea there to limit it to people earning more than some amount would cause it to fail. However, simply splitting the AdSense forum into "beginners" and "advanced" forums would help a lot.

violin

9:07 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Ann, You are exactly right....
and to love thy neighbor as thyself.

Heve you ever read "so much" that you cannot read anymore?

You need a person to answer the question.

Warmest Regards,

Violin
P.S. My violin right now is playing that song by Bonnnie Ray...
if you want something to talk about talk about"Love"

"Love thy neighbor as thyself."

ember

9:41 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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There may be some stupid questions in here. I may have asked some myself, even though I have been making a living online since 1999. I say let newbies ask what they want. If the questions are too stupid, no one has to answer them.

Celicaphile

9:50 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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IMO Topics like this are more of a waste...

I feel bad for replying and bumping it up rather than waiting for it to fade away...

oddsod

10:26 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>> is that many new members are too lazy to read old threads

Spot on. Maybe we need a collection of the best threads and kindly point newbie questioners to those threads. If they bother to read those library threads and not find the answer we can attempt to help further.

ken_b

10:35 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Too lazy?

A good many newbies here probably don't even know they could search the forums using Google.

Collection of threads?

There's quite a nice collection in the library [webmasterworld.com] already.

europeforvisitors

12:25 am on Sep 22, 2005 (gmt 0)



A good many newbies here probably don't even know they could search the forums using Google.

Most of the time, they don't even need to search. Just perusing the most recent page or two of threads would be enough to find the desired information.

jhood

1:54 am on Sep 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This is like complaining that when you read the newspaper, the ink comes off on your fingers. (Actually, that doesn't happen anymore but you get the drift). Forums are forums. Might as well get used to it.

europeforvisitors

2:23 am on Sep 22, 2005 (gmt 0)



Forums are forums. Might as well get used to it.

I think the point is that the quality of the forum isn't what it was six months or a year ago. That may be inevitable, but there's no reason to pretend that it isn't happening.

Celicaphile

3:43 am on Sep 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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A good many newbies here probably don't even know they could search the forums using Google.

This is what keeps me from posting here more. I don't want to repost, but having to search that way is lame, so I mostly just read all the other reposts. (this is also the reason why I haven't searched to find out why there is no user-friendly integrated search feature here)

incrediBILL

5:35 am on Sep 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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there is no user-friendly integrated search feature here

OK, obviously you don't read reposts either as I just told everyone how to add a user friendly integrated search a couple of days ago.

Take a peek at this as I'm too lazy to repost it AGAIN...

[webmasterworld.com...]

Celicaphile

5:59 am on Sep 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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No I don't read every post in every forum on this site & why should anyone have to in order to do a search as easily as on any other forum? Thanks! Posting that link can probably put this thread to rest...

lammert

7:35 am on Sep 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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why should anyone have to in order to do a search as easily as on any other forum? Thanks! Posting that link can probably put this thread to rest...

The thread the link is pointing to is also displayed when you click the "site search" link at the top of any page on WebmasterWorld. You probably never clicked that link anyway, so I wonder if posting that link by incrediBill will put this thread to rest.

But still, the OP raised a valid concern. In a good running forum there is a balance between the number of senior members and newbies. The senior members discuss all kind of issues and they are happy to answer questions from those who are not so experienced. The newbies read both the answers on their own questions and the other threads and their knowledge increases.

If a forum grows too fast, the balance between the types of members changes causing more newbie to newbie discussions. These are less interesting for others causing the seniors to post less. In the end only the newbies are left and the seniors have moved on to other forums, causing the quality of the AdSense forum to degrade. This is nature, but not necessarily the end of this forum. Newbies will learn more and become knowledgable seniors at the end.

davewray

8:35 am on Sep 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I don't think it's always a case of webmasters being lazy and therefore not reading the TOS. The fact that you almost need to be a lawyer to even understand some of the Adsense TOS, that's where the main problem occurs. It's a relief that Jenstar summarizes each updated TOS that Google puts out because I think that most of us would still be in the dark EVEN after reading them.

Webmasterworld is just that, a world community of webmasters. It's just natural that some folks will have a high IQ (intelligent posts), and some folks will have a lower IQ (less intelligent posts). I've seen some less intelligent posts turn into excellent, well thought out discussions and some "intelligent posts" often end up being a pile of crap....

Just my thoughts....

Dave.

oddsod

8:41 am on Sep 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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ken_b, the library has a collection of nice threads. Whether the collection answers the newbie questions we get here most often is another matter. Questions like "How do I find high value keywords?" are the ones that need easy to find answers if we're to improve the general quality of posts in the forum. Maybe someone should put together a FAQ for the library.

incrediBILL

9:48 am on Sep 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This reminds me of a job interview I went on once.

Everyone that showed up was asked to take a short written C language proficiency test using some Brand X compiler with the reference manual present to use. One of the candidates was throwing a fit about how dare they ask him to take a test to prove he could do the work, he'd been programming C 10 years blah blah blah.

30 minutes later I was finished and this self-proclaimed "expert" was a quivering pile of jelly stuck on a simple question that was easily answered in the Brand X compiler manual. He was ranting at the recruiter, practically in tears, and it was all I could do to not bust out laughing like a hyena.

It all boiled down to READ THE MANUAL, he flipped around looking for the answer but didn't use his brain and actually READ THE MANUAL.

I, on the other hand, READ THE MANUAL and answered all the questions correctly and was offered a job.

Back to the topic, the same people that don't RTFM and skip the Google instructions won't bother reading the FAQ and there's not a whole heck of a lot not covered at Google so redudancy for the sake of the terminally lazy is a waste.

moneyraker

1:13 pm on Sep 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Blame it too on the success of Adsense itself. Suddenly people meet friends who make 'quick big bucks' just by having a website and putting a little code on it. Suddenly people want to have a website pronto. They make a website and say, "Need to earn from my website now...no time to read the TOS...no time to read the old posts...just have enough time to ask a quick question in webmasterworld..." This phenomenon hasn't peaked yet (and is probably just starting), so expect more newbie questions in the future.

To newbie-phobics out there, be afraid...be very afraid... :)

JaySmith

1:30 pm on Sep 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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We were all newbies at one time or another and I bet the majority of us have asked "stupid questions".

This site is a great site but very user unfriendly in my opinion. Having to use google to search makes us jump through hoops to find an answer is a pain.

Anyways, I think when you have forums you will always have newbies asking questions...

BTW, has anyone seen a lag in adsense stats today? (j/k)..:)

incrediBILL

6:07 pm on Sep 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This phenomenon hasn't peaked yet (and is probably just starting), so expect more newbie questions in the future.

Actually I remember this phenomenon from when I went to school (a long time ago) where the kid next to you sits and stares out the window while the teacher lectures and then gives out the assignment. The kid then frantically begs everyone around to know what we're supposed to be doing when he suddenly realizes everyone else is busy with the lesson except him and he's clueless.

Nothing ever changes.

jenkers

6:43 pm on Sep 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Could the FAQ at the top of the Adsense category page be extended to cover more of the repeated topics?

Could it also be labelled something like 'Adsense Faq - read before posting' or some such and bolded or highlighted.

Ok - we'd probably get a similar amount of these run-of-the-mill queries but at least the OP could be civilly pointed at and quietly read through the FAQ without having to expend the effort of searching. Just a thought anyways... the FAQ does seem to be pretty out of date.

incrediBILL

7:10 pm on Sep 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Pointing them to the Google FAQ is a lot less work for all involved :)

TammyJo

7:50 pm on Sep 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have to agree with JaySmith, I do love the forums, but for the new (and the old) it is a major project to find information on here.

To be honest, I never noticed the Adsense FAQ at the top of this forum! My eyes automatically pop to the first forum question.

My apologize in advance for my dumb questions in the future because I am too lazy to figure out how, to figure out where to find the answers ;)

Iwrite

10:30 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Trying to find something that says 'delete post,' My next dumb question is where is that? I posted twice

[edited by: Iwrite at 10:36 am (utc) on Sep. 23, 2005]

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