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1:50 am on Sep 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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is it illegal if i created a network of friends to click on my site or make my site their homepage for a certain category?

is it ok to have them searched within my site? i am talking of internet friends around the world.

2:24 am on Sept 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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People do it all the time.
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It is against Adsense terms of service.

You will eventually end here [google.com]

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4:22 am on Sept 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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People do it all the time.

People get banned all the time for invalid clicks too.

It's called a click ring.

When the big black mercedes SUVs roll up in front of your house I would suggest bailing out the window as they bust in the front door.

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4:39 am on Sept 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hey kid,

That is stealing! Didn't your Momma tell you that stealing can wreck your life and play hell with your freedom?

Where does it stop: Oh, that guy don't really need his car so I think I will take it for awhile. Get caught and what do you yell? No, Man, I was only borrowing it.8)

That is disgusting!
Get a life, get off the web or get smart.

NO ONE in here likes a thief and that is exactly what you are claiming to be.

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Gee Ann, how do you really feel about click rings? ;)

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Hate them!
That steam you see is coming out of my ears..:)

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I'd say that this is the kind of thing you don't ask about... :)

Seriously... unless they click like maniacs, there is no risk, but then again, what's the point of trying to fool Google if you hardly get anything back from it, other than sleepless nights?

BTW... I assume that you are properly notified by them if you are banned or get a warning... right?

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There once was a dude with a site
He put adsense on it one night
thought he was real slick,
got his e-friends to click,
And now he has been banned for life

another dumb limerick, the result of being overtired + reading posts like this....

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BTW,

Posting that in this adsense forum where a Google adsense employee is constantly cruising the threads is really less than smart, especially with your IP hanging right out there waving in the forum logs saying "Here I am Google, ban me".

I have to admit that will be a most enjoyable day for me. Can't wait to read your "I got banned and don't know why" thread.

Tootle-loo, bye bye, watch the doorknob on your way out.

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bongkph,

I assume you didn't mean to create a click-ring. In this case, it's called an Internet community where people around the world contribute to your website or network with their sole discretion and without any intention of generating invalid clicks to your site. The only ad clicks come from those who are really interested in the ad content, whether they're your friends or not are considered legit.

Remember, even real friends can sometimes hurt you bad while trying to help you and too many "Internet friends" is asking for trouble. ;)

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ann, you're on my list of people to never p$ss off.

I put AdSense on a site for a client, and advised him not to click the ads. No problem. A few weeks later the client tells me that's he is telling all his friends about his new site. I caution him to advise his friends not to click the ads. The client does not understand, even gets a bit angry. For his sake and my sanity AdSense got pulled from that site.

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No, it's not illegal. You won't go to jail for having your friends clicking on your ads.

However, your AdSense account will be terminated as per TOS.

P.S. I don't tell my friends about my website, and as a good business practice, you shouldn't. If they just so happen to go there, then great.

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"Posting that in this adsense forum where a Google adsense employee is constantly cruising the threads is really less than smart, especially with your IP hanging right out there waving in the forum logs saying "Here I am Google, ban me".

Surely this would n't happen. Google does n't own this site. What about privacy? I can't imagine the webmaster of this site grassing up every person who suggests they are cheating Google.

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[edited by: Jenstar at 8:56 pm (utc) on Sep. 17, 2005]
[edit reason] TOS [/edit]

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What a dumb comment!

Well, that is what I call a recursive statement.

I dare say people probably hide behind proxies

Maybe yes, but the smart guy who originated this thread even put his email in his profile...

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No, it's not illegal.

Google filed a lawsuit aginst Auctions Expert International for click fraud.

"its founders clicked on AdSense ads on the Auction Experts site and paid up to 50 unidentified individuals to do the same."

[clickz.com...]

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Ann is suggesting that Google has access to these forum logs? Why would she say that? Is Google that powerful? Is WebmasterWorld that corrupt?

But even if Google had easy access to these logs I think suggesting that they would use them to ban someone who asked a foolish question about cheating is far-fetched. Surely Ann was joking, or this makes me scratch my head and wonder about her...

The original question is foolish though. Anything that causes clicks not connected to the clicker's desire for the advertised product/service is likely to get you in trouble with Google should they detect it.

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Ann is suggesting that Google has access to these forum logs? Why would she say that?

I think Ann repainted her soapbox, it's all shiny and new.

The point was posting about such activities where you can be theoretically traced and reported is about as bright as a burned out light bulb.

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You don't need forum logs to find this guy, where he works or his one page website with a few AdSense ads.

It took me just a few minutes of Googling him to know he's from the Philippines, etc., etc...

If you encourage people to click your ads you are doing something illegal and fraudulent.

Stop now and look at the long term benefits of AdSense.

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If that is his I don't see Googles name on the ads. Wouldn't click them for the world....then I would get banned...oh by the way, you just broke the tos of this board on a couple of counts. Read them and find out how.

Thanks Bill, after all, I was born under the sign of the hardheaded ram and we usually carry our soapboxes around with us. I have to remember to keep it dusted off ;), and toned down.

I was referring to adsense advisor and Google being smart enough to track this guy, not webmaster world being corrupt. I do believe They have many ways to check this guy out. Can you say spider?

Oh well this is non productive and I am real busy right now.

See ya,

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Hold your horses, please.
I don't think WW is the place to call for click attacks. BTW, are we sure this is the guy?
There is no Adsense on his page.
Perhaps he moved it?
What a crappy page!
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I think the site looks very professional, what part of it was crappy? Their clients list is pretty impressive also, seems like they are doing very good.
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The funny thing is, the guy never stated that he wanted anyone to click on G ads.
It looks to me like he's asking if his site can be used as a home page.

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Heartlander, actually, he did, but only in the subhead of the thread, not in his message...
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Dzcap,

"I think the site looks very professional, what part of it was crappy?"

The crappy part is using a free Tripod account with ugly banner and ads, and the fact that none of the internal links is working. Or are they working for you? If I want to click an internal link, all of them have the same URL wich is URL/#.
The part of the page that looks good is just a free template he took from Mastertemplates.

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I think we're looking at different sites.

[webmasterworld.com...]

I got to the site from his email address unless that is actually the site for the company he is working for..

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Google filed a lawsuit aginst Auctions Expert International for click fraud.

"its founders clicked on AdSense ads on the Auction Experts site and paid up to 50 unidentified individuals to do the same."

[clickz.com...]

novice,

That was a business, not a group of friends. Google knows darn well they can't sue an individual for clicking on ads. However, they can sue a company. Why? Because companies are open to any lawsuit imaginable. Also, isn't it interesting Google didn't sue those 50 people individually? They only went after the company.

In any case, it's still not illegal. Meaning, you will not go to jail, and a criminal background check will not come back with a "Violated Google's TOS" on a routine traffic stop by a police officer.

This is not a law which is enforceable by state or federal laws. It's a violation of Google's own TOS. Google has a right to enforce their TOS, and sue those who violate it.

[edited by: makes_a_little_sense at 12:52 am (utc) on Sep. 18, 2005]

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That, I assume, is the comapny he works for.

Just Google bongkph. It's a one page site with 4 ads across the top without "ads by Google" however if you check the properties by right clicking they are Google ads.

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makes a little sense, I totally agree with you about it not being a criminal case. When the posted asked if click fraud was illegal, I was pointing out to him that Google does take legal action against click fraud, whether it is illegal or not.

I believe it would be a civil case.

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Because companies are open to any lawsuit imaginable.

I hear you on that one. I own a business I been running for 30 years. About 4 years ago I was involved in one of the most bizzare cases imaginable, it was actually the talk of the town. I was so glad when it ended and I won.

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Thanks hunder- I missed the subheading...doh.

I'm looking at the same Tripod site, and it does appear to be a new site with no links formulated yet.

Not important, as I think we answered his question, and G will answer in good time if he chooses to take that route.

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