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they say that they discovered fraud clicks in august, then what about my earnings in june+july(which is more than $200)?
i'll wait for YPN or switch to something else
u r always worried about when u might be kicked out
I am not always worried about when I might be kicked out. The AdSense Terms and Conditions, while not the friendliest in the world, are more than clear about what one can and cannot do in the AdSense program. Having an understanding of those T&C's negates the need to worry.
I don't like hearing that people who feel they were due a payment suddenly found themselves booted from the program, but while this does happen, so far it seems to be a well founded action.
There are certainly other programs available. AdSense isn't the only means to monetize your site. But, if you were booted from AdSense, would you not also be wary of being booted from a different program? I know I would be, particularly if knew I had been booted for a just reason.
As far as not paying what we deserve, I agree. Google, I'm hungry, pay me more! Thank You.
Most times Google get it right if they boot someone from AdSense.
Your only option is to email Google after reviewing your logs to see if there is a large number of hits from the same IP.
If fraud is discovered in August then that is what should be retained and nothing more.
the part of this I find most interesting is the June & July aspect.
On the other hand, it always makes me wonder when people that get banned from Adsense complain about the earnings that were in their account and that won't be credited to them.
If I were banned from Adsense, I would not worry about the 1-2 past months that I don't get paid for, but for the N future months that I won't be running adsense any more...
All this said, please , fellow members, do not always imply (as other posters seem to be doing) that anyone that has english as a second language is bound to be a dumb cheater that clicks on his own ads. That's simply not fair!
Yes, there are many other points in the ToS that could get you kicked out...
Actually not. If they discover fraudulent activities in August, that began in Juni, they can block all of your revenue
I don't know if the problem of this guy is that he/she has English as a second language. I would much probably think he/she is a teenager
What about the members who were kicked out after a year/2 years/3 years etc. Should G pursue them for all the money back because clearly it was all fraud?
If fraud is discovered in August then that is what should be retained and nothing more.
In the case of Auctions Expert International, Google sued them to recover earnings paid to them before the publisher was suspended, because it was earned via click fraud. They won the default judgement on the case, and at the time, Google said it would not be the last lawsuit filed against publishers to recover fraudulently earned AdSense revenue.
If a publisher fraudulently earned $30,000 a month in AdSense using click fraud but it took 8 months to catch him, why shouldn't Google sue to recover the money and return it to the advertisers who paid for all those fraudulent clicks?
Secondly, What about the odd innocent (I know there aren't many-actually I don't think any as far as the members of this board are concerned)person, who in good faith let G roll up the earnings for whatever reason. Then they are accused of fraud with relatively small chance of a succesful appeal, they lose everything-not because they were committing fraud but because they were stupid enough to trust G.
Third, perhaps I am cynical, but what does G do with the one/two/three/four months "revenue". Does it all immediately get paid back to the adwords advertisers? Again a few adwords advertisers say "yeah we got a few bucks back" but I wonder if that correlates EXACTLY with the fraudsters ill gotten gains and how the adwords advertiser woudl knwo anyway. Are clicks itemised on their accounts from what url, time, date etc?.
If someone was cheating in August, then it's a fair bet they were cheating before that as well.
I tend to agree with vince... If Adsense can *prove* click fraud for a given period, then I think it is fair of them to assume that the person has been getting clicks fraudently since well before that time. And the point that site owners have a contract with Google is a point well taken. If a webmaster doesn't uphold his side of the contract, then Google is not obligated to do so either.
Surely, this is not fair for people banned for no apparent reason, but as somebody already stated, that seems to rarely be the case. If you think you were wrongly booted, bewarse, then the solution is to work with Google to get the situation straightened out.
Why does AdSense not pay when a publisher has been suspended / Losing earnings for previous month
To discourage crooks who figure they'll be able to pocket all the money they've stolen from advertisers until they're caught.
AdSense should pursue these people to make an example of them and to serve as a warning to others.
IMO, I dont think anyone can expect to cheat and keep the funds from their cheating. It is just downright wrong.
I agree, but how do you know when they started cheating? Don't tell me the G algorithims are infallable when they clearly can't be -they are written by people and therefore by their nature are infallible.
You (I don't mean you in particular but the moral majority/people who believe G can do no wrong) may of course also suggest that they must have been doing it all along. What about people who may be stuck on $99.99 for a month and think, a couple of clicks won't do any harm, why don't I just get myself over the threshold. Yes they have cheated (and perhaps this is a poor example) but they haven't been cheating all along have they - answer NO. Why should they lose everything?
Yes they have cheated (and perhaps this is a poor example) but they haven't been cheating all along have they - answer NO. Why should they lose everything?
Again, it's not a matter of fair vs unfair
It's just in the google TOS, and it's in the contract you adhered to, so tht's what happens.
So, as this thread's title says
Why does AdSense not pay when a publisher has been
suspended?
There is a tenet of English contract law (though IANAL, so take all this with a pinch of salt) that says if A and B have a contract and then A breaks it, B has no obligation to meet any terms of the contract but has the right to enforce any that it wishes against A.
So if you deliberately break the rules that you signed up to, regardless of whether you think the sun shines out of the rear entrance of the Googleplex, G is totally within its rights to withhold all monies IMHO.
And anyway, can you really say that just because someone only lies 49% of the time when they deal with you then they are 51% OK and they should get 51% of "their" money? That really is a kind of ugly relativism in business that I want to indulge in as little as possible, especially if it turns out subsequently that the lie-rate was 89%.
Rgds
Damon
BTW blairsp, my first month my account DID get to just a dollar or so short of $100 and I gritted my teeth and did NOT click my own ads.
I like to believe that the Googleplex may have noted this as a sign of either stupidity or honesty, but in any case something that makes me better to do business with.
Rgds
Damon
I think,there are many webmasters who have done nothing wrong but lost their accounts and earnings.
We've had dozens of "I've been dropped" threads in this forum, and in the vast majority of cases, the supposedly innocent publishers have either admitted to breaking the TOS (clicking on ads, encouraging users to click on ads) or have had their lies or inconsistencies exposed by fellow Webmaster World members. (Example: The person who bragged about a TOS violation in one thread, then proclaimed his innocence in a subsequent thread after he'd been terminated by Google.)
It might be fair to speculate that "a few" or "some" publishers have been terminated by Google without having done anything wrong, but "many"? That seems unlikely.
That means google rectify its mistakes and we can sleep in peace.
DAmonHD:
There is also something in English law against abusive clauses. And getting kicked out without explanation could be an abusive clause.
Regards
I think,there are many webmasters who have done nothing wrong but lost their accounts and earnings.
While it is statistically possible there maybe one or two out there, there is by no means many. From what I have viewed, pretty much everyone kicked out was done so with cause, and in the case where google made a mistake the people were let back in.
Nothing supports your position that "many" webmasters who have done nothing wrong but lost their accounts.
BTW blairsp, my first month my account DID get to just a dollar or so short of $100 and I gritted my teeth and did NOT click my own ads.Genuinely glad to hear that. Perhaps the example I used was a poor one, but I still believe that if someone has had an account with adsense for 50 years (yes I KNOW that is impossible) and they are accused of click fraud in year 51 then all the earnings shouldn't be withheld or claimed back. I am not talking about fair or unfair as one of the previous posters pointed out googles contract which you have all "signed" stipulates that they can do whatever they want. However, as far as I know IF someone sued them (and NO, I am NOT making some sort of rallying call to arms here) G would have to PROVE that they had committed fraud. Unless of course the US has changed its legal system to be guilty until proven innocent. This point has never been answered in a thread here. IF they were sued:I like to believe that the Googleplex may have noted this as a sign of either stupidity or honesty, but in any case something that makes me better to do business with.
You are a small time publisher.
You use dude speak.
You sound like a teen.
You were accessing from a public computer.
You got banned.
You are not worried about all the money you are missing from future months when you have numerous websites and getting thousands of hits, but the lousy 200 dollars you are owed.
You know and google knows you did something that deserved to be banned.
