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2. change server host
3. change the name of the domains(www)
4. alter the layout/colours and content type (obviously not too much if a lot of hard work has gone into it)
5. cross your fingers
I'm not sure if you go to jail before they sue or after.
I wonder if you still owe all the taxes on the money after they take it away?
... messages describing anything against the law will be removed as soon as possible. Any discussion of those are off topic.
Let's get this in perspective. rock831983 has not asked how he can do something illegal and, as far as I can see nobody suggested he do anything illegal.
You can open an account in somebody else's name with their permission, it's legal.
You can also start a limited liability company - which is its own legal entity - and use it as a vehicle for a new site in a new design, on a new URL, and a new postal address. Payment goes directly to the company. Have somebody other than yourself as the director.
Let's get this in perspective. rock831983 has not asked how he can do something illegal
rock831983:
can someone tell me how to open new account when i am already banned by google...
You are correct, he did not request information on illegal activities. The only correct respose to his question is: "Contact Google and plead with them".
The other responses, including the suggestion given by rock831983 himself, are most certainly fraud.
It would be different if you were setting up a "fake" account to commit click fraud of something...
If by illegal you mean "Google doesn't like it", then that would be against their rules not against the law - there is a difference.
rock831983 - it's safe to assume that any detail Google has about you can be used to connect you to another account - name / IP / domain / whatever. Change it all and don't get banned this time lest you face the wrath of the morality police! ;)
Plenty of people have multiple accounts nothing new or ground breaking and I wouldn't be surprised if most the big players in the industry had a portfolio of accounts.
Google doesn't want you to open up an account in your sisters name.
Nor do they want you to create a corporation and open up an account in the corporate name as long as you have anything to do with the company.
Any attempt to open up a new account after you have been banned will require you to commit fraud to some degree.
Google doesn't want ANY association with you.
(IMHO)
<added>The real point is not whether it is 'illegal' or not it is whether you can do it within G's contract with you and that is the only thing that counts.
[edited by: sailorjwd at 11:10 am (utc) on Aug. 16, 2005]
<added>The real point is not whether it is 'illegal' or not it is whether you can do it within G's contract with you and that is the only thing that counts.
Absolute nonsense - I'm sorry, but what's legal is the bottom line and what you need to do to operate a legitimate business. What Google wants is irrelevant.
What exactly do you think is going to happen? Google are going to sue you for making them money? I'd imagine there would would be an interesting legal situation if they accused you of fraud while charging advertisers to advertise on your site.
Interesting concept.
Getting back to reality, I think I write another page.
Bye
Absolutely. Reading it in the correct context: just because Google doesn't want something doesn't make it illegal.
And, if anyone's been banned for breaking the TOS hopefully they've learnt their lesson and will be more careful in future with the new account.
[edited by: oddsod at 12:28 pm (utc) on Aug. 16, 2005]
Let's get this in perspective. rock831983 has not asked how he can do something illegal and, as far as I can see nobody suggested he do anything illegal.
You are right he did not ask to do anything illegal. But what he asked to do is only achieved by doing something either illegal or against the Google TOS.
You can open an account in somebody else's name with their permission, it's legal.
Not sure what country you live in, but using someone else's name to enter a legal contract is not legal in the United States. Their permission or not. It is fraud. You are not who you say you are to Google and it is illegal. The only time where this would be permissable is if you were a minor and signed up under your parent's account. Just using a buddy's name to do it is definately illegal.
You can also start a limited liability company - which is its own legal entity - and use it as a vehicle for a new site in a new design, on a new URL, and a new postal address. Payment goes directly to the company. Have somebody other than yourself as the director.
While you claim there is nothing wrong here, but things you suggested were completely illegal.
[edited by: aeiouy at 12:38 pm (utc) on Aug. 16, 2005]
Absolute nonsense - I'm sorry, but what's legal is the bottom line and what you need to do to operate a legitimate business. What Google wants is irrelevant.
You are right.. What Google wants is largely irrelevant. But when you enter a legal contract with another entity or person you are not allowed to misrepresent yourself. That is fraud. Make enough money off of Google and you are looking at a felony.
What exactly do you think is going to happen? Google are going to sue you for making them money?
If they feel you defrauded them and it cost them a significant amount of money, yes. If it is egregious enough they would likely pursue criminal charges as well.
I'd imagine there would would be an interesting legal situation if they accused you of fraud while charging advertisers to advertise on your site.
Perhaps you don't understand what fraud is? You are misrepresenting yourself to Google. That is the whole point. You have put their business and the businesses of their advertisers in jeopardy.
Some of you are a bit flippant about this whole thing. Feel free to commit fraud and push it as far as you want. Thinking it would be hard for Google to pursue such matters civilly or criminally because they sold ads on the basis of your fraud is ridiculous. You deceived Google, that is why they sold those ads. If you were not committing fraud, they would have never brokered the transaction. That is kind of the whole point. You can't claim because you were succesfully comitting fraud that gets you off-the-hook.
Ya! what he said.
(can I get you to write some content for my website :)
If they feel you defrauded them and it cost them a significant amount of money, yes. If it is egregious enough they would likely pursue criminal charges as well.
Let's face facts - if the original poster was ever likely to hit this level of income they wouldn't be asking for help on a public forum.
Like I said I don't know the legal situation - all I know for *fact* is that there are plenty of big players doing this. The hollier than thou attitude of some posters here suggest it's a mortal sin to do something that Google doesn't like - hey some are even suggesting Google's rules are more important issues than *laws*! Just bringing the perspective back down to earth into the realms of real business.
Same guy wanted to hide his IP address from Google.
Hmmmm, must not have been too good at it LOL
Ann
>> But what he asked to do is only achieved by doing something either illegal or against the Google TOS
Wrong. Starting an LLC and signing up again under Adsense is not illegal nor is it against the Adsense TOS (unless you can point out which TOS it violates)
>> but using someone else's name to enter a legal contract is not legal in the United States .. Just using a buddy's name to do it is definately illegal.
Again, wrong [en.wikipedia.org].
>> It is fraud. You are not who you say you are to Google and it is illegal. .... but if you are the only one running the company, then what you are doing is again illegal
It's standard business. When an LTD company goes bust the owners are free to start a new company. That's how business works. That's at the core of the limited liability sytem that built the world's biggest capitalist economies. I doubt Google is against capitalism.
>> But when you enter a legal contract with another entity or person you are not allowed to misrepresent yourself
Acting as an agent for another party or as an authorised representative of a legal entity like an LTD company is not misrepresentation.
>> but things you suggested were completely illegal
I have never, either on this board or elsewhere, advocated any illegal activity.
>> Thinking it would be hard for Google to pursue such matters civilly or criminally
It's not "hard". It's impossible. Because, it's not illegal.
>> Perhaps you don't understand what fraud is?
Hmm. LOL
PS: Like M.G. I've never been banned but I operate several Adsense accounts... in my name, in company names, and as an authorised rep for other companies. FWIW, Google is fully aware of this relationship and I make no attempt to mask my IP when accessing stats for various accounts. They have never said they have a problem with this. And, what I do is unlikely to pass for fraud anywhere on this planet.
Go to Yahoo. And don't commit click fraud there, so you don't get banned again.
If you are a good writer, SEO, Webmaster work for someone else as writer, SEO, Webmaster.
Is the banning definitive? Try negociating with google, perhaps they accept you again.
Greetings
[edited by: jatar_k at 5:00 pm (utc) on Aug. 16, 2005]
[edit reason] edited for manners [/edit]
Try negociating with google, perhaps they accept you again.
In this case I think not ;)
[edited by: jatar_k at 5:01 pm (utc) on Aug. 16, 2005]
