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An AdSense problem

         

metteyya

4:02 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I've subscribed for AdSense 10 days ago and no money coming in my account. I started wondering what's going on - I don't have much visits on my site, but for those 200 visitors I should have received a buck or two :-) So I started clicking on my ads to see if clicks are reported at all, and the report service at AdSense keeps on telling me that I have let's say 100 clicks, but no money though. I wrote to the support and no answer. Here's my report:

Date Page impressions Clicks Page CTR Page eCPM [?] Earnings
Monday, July 18, 2005 41 119 290.2% $0.00 $0.00
Totals 41 119 290.2% $0.00 $0.00
Averages 41 119 $0.00

As you can see the eCPM stays at 0, and so do my earnings. What's wrong with AdSense? Anybody experienced such problems?

/metteyya

oddsod

4:05 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Welcome to WW. Members here feel strongly about those who abuse the system and I wouldn't be surprised if some strong comments follow this post ;). Clicking your own ads - for whatever reason - is a violation of the agreement you have with Google and is likely to get your account terminated. I'd advise you to go carefully through the TOS and webmaster guidelines if you wish to keep your account.

With respect the earnings - it varies widely depending on the site topic, the location of your visitors, whether there are any advertisers in that sector etc. Sometimes earnings figures are held back for double checking and it's possible for today's earnings to show in a week from now!

[edited by: oddsod at 4:09 pm (utc) on July 18, 2005]

JoaoJose

4:07 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Donīt know what the problem may be but mind you should never click your ads.

metteyya

4:10 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I don't care if my account gets terminated, because somehow first Google violate the rules by not reporting the real clicks and views of my page, for which I know that they DO exist. I just wanted to try to generate more clicks to see whether or not they will report them. It's not the case. I don't want to cheat, but just to check if the system is really working. So I know that it DOES NOT work for me. And I don't know why. This is my question - WHY? If there's somebody with constructive ideas or suggestions on the topic - please!

/metteyya

hunderdown

4:12 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)



You're not supposed to click on your ads. Probably their fraud-detection software detected that you did and they removed those earnings before they would even have been posted.

Stop clicking your own ads. That could get you terminated, as is stated very clearly in the TOS, which you agreed to before starting AdSense. If I were you I'd write to AdSense and let them know, and apologize. You may get terminated anyway.

Re the lack of clicks by others--since the system IS reporting impressions, I don't think there's any problem. You may not have the ads in a good location on your pages, or in a good color scheme (you have to experiment). Or it could just be the traffic. 200 impressions over 10 days is very low, and it could entirely consist of search engine requests for pages, or random visitors. Until you get hundreds of impressions per day, you really can't assume you are getting meaningful traffic.

Final point--don't post detailed statistics here. That's another violation of the AdSense TOS. You can post your monthly earnings, but other than that you can only talk about them generally.

PatrickDeese

4:14 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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In general, Google will invalidate clicks that they detect as coming from the site owner's computer.

Not knowing much about your site, I would guess that perhaps you are showing a large number of charity ads - I saw charity ads on several pages. Charity ads could also be triggered by poorly optimized URLs, which I can see your site has.

[edited by: PatrickDeese at 4:19 pm (utc) on July 18, 2005]

oddsod

4:15 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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First, lose the attitude, you'll find it helpful ;). You have no evidence that Google "violates the rules".

Second, the system really works for thousands of webmasters. The way to check is to leave the code for a while and pull it if you aren't satisfied - not clicking your own ads. That costs advertisers money and is called "theft".

Third, there are several reasons why Adsense may not work for a particular site. I offered some reasons in my earlier post. Also, if it's the site in your profile you need to know that Adsense doesn't work well in forums. I'd suggest you spend some time browsing through some of the excellent past threads on this matter.

[edited by: oddsod at 4:16 pm (utc) on July 18, 2005]

JoaoJose

4:16 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I just realized now, 200 visits in 10 days...thatīs really almost nothing but spiders, so no clicks....

Zygoot

4:17 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Date Page impressions Clicks Page CTR Page eCPM [?] Earnings
Monday, July 18, 2005 41 119 290.2% $0.00 $0.00

Something tells me there is something fishy with these stats. You've only got 41 impressions and 119 clicks? This means that every pageview resulted in approx 3 clicks and that's just impossible.

Google doesn't pay for invalid clicks and I guess lots of them were invalid.

metteyya

4:17 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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OK, thanks for pointing out this important things, hunderdown. I'll be more careful. And I've got not 200 impressions, but 200 unique visitors for 10 days, which is quite different I think. My impressions are much more.

/metteyya

hunderdown

4:18 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)



because somehow first Google violate the rules by not reporting the real clicks and views of my page

I think my prevoius post should answer your question as to why they aren't giving you earnings for those clicks. There SHOULD be no earnings for those clicks since you made them. But I'm adding this post to warn you to be careful--statements like the one you made above are first of all not accurate, because Google is NOT obliged to pay for or even report clicks they have determined to be invalid. Secondly, you are likely to annoy someone at Google if you email them about this with an aggrieved tone like the one that you have used here.

There is already a good chance that you will be terminated for such active self-clicking. Your best approach at this point is to write them apologetically, tell them you know understand how the system works, that you will never click your ads again, and you hope they will let you stay in the program.

metteyya

4:21 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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hunderdown, I told you that I tried to generate more click, because I doubted the system works, there were real clicks and no money for them, this is my point.

/metteyya

oddsod

4:23 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I tried to generate more click

How?

metteyya

4:25 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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oddsod -> by clicking on the ads on my site, which is a violation of the rules, but I wanted to see why it does not generate any money for the real clicks.

/metteyya

vincevincevince

4:27 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Charity ads don't generate any income when clicked
Invalid clicks don't generate any income

Is is possible that your clicks fell into one or both of those categories?

oddsod

4:27 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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You obviously haven't read either of hunderdown's posts carefully enough.

metteyya

4:34 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I've read them, oddsod. And the ads are not charity and are not invalid. There are validly generated clicks by visitors of my site, I know it for sure!

/metteyya

oddsod

4:39 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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In msg #14 you say you generated more clicking by clicking yourself. Now you say that the visitors clicked. Hmmm.

I know it for sure!

How?

Follow the suggestions in previous posts. Wait till you've collected a few tens of thousands of page views. At a 0.1% CTR 100,000 page views will give you 100 clicks. See how that fares. For someone with hardly any traffic you seem to have pretty high expectations.

[edited by: oddsod at 4:40 pm (utc) on July 18, 2005]

hunderdown

4:40 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)



There are validly generated clicks by visitors of my site, I know it for sure!

So you are saying that you made some clicks AND that there are other clicks made by other people? But how do you know that? Are you running a click-tracking script? Or did you stand over someone at a computer different from the one you usually used, and watched them click the ads on your site? Or in some other way?

It's entirely possible that Google invalidated YOUR clicks and the other clicks too.

Powdork

4:41 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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You should also be aware that if by some inconceivable reason Google didn't determine the clicks were invalid (which they obviously did), that you have now told them that you are cheating because they have a representative in this very forum.
You are also not allowed to put adsense on pages with no content, like your assembly articles page. If you did have content there, you would be more like to receive ads about assembly rather than adsa about K-12 Assemblies.

metteyya

4:47 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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hunderdown, I know I have valid clicks, because before I generated this clicks myself, there were other clicks obviously generated by other people, not me.

I've already written an email to the support team [for second time, I hope this time I'll receive an answer] and I don't have anything to hide. If I wanted to generate clicks myself, I wouldn't have even written in this forum. My point is that I want everything to be legit and not to cheat.

/metteyya

hunderdown

4:50 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)



I understand, thanks.

For what it's worth, I occasionally see clicks on my site with no earnings associated with them. Possibly your site's focus is drawing visitors from locations/IPs that Google considers invalid.

Good luck with Google!

metteyya

4:53 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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hunderdown, thanks for the answer. This is an answer. So now I know that there are IPs that Google just don't count valid and this answer can solve the mistery.

/metteyya

Curiosity

5:09 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Before you seize upon one reason to explain what happened, learn more about how the program works. You seem to be looking for a single simple reason, but there's often no such thing in Adsense. Those clicks could have failed to get you money for any one of a dozen reasons, not all of which have been mentioned here.

Hang about a bit longer, read several pages' worth of posts, and keep an open mind. It's better to spend some time learning about how to run the program now than to spend some time later learning how to get your account reinstated.

metteyya

5:16 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm trying to learn. If I weren't I wouldn't be here. I didn't know much of the thigs that have been said here, so I'm learning. I just wanted to clear the things up for myself, not to cheat the system or anything. I've already sent a mail to the support team and explained that I've generated illegal clicks and so on, so now I'm waiting :()

/metteyya

david_uk

7:52 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think the important points have been made already. My only point is that you seem to have done *too* good a job at blending the ads into your left hand column - not invisible, but ad blindness might ensure that many people simply don't see them. I'd be inclined to make them stand out a bit more. That may be one reason you aren't generating many clicks.

metteyya

10:15 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for the tip, david_uk, I know this, but I'm just a perfectionist and want everything to look great without any glitches. I'll think about it and may consider widening the ads a bit as you suggest :)

/metteyya

Gargen

10:51 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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you can get 3 clicks per page 3 ways your visiters click on ads and open them in new windows 3 times per page, you click on your ads into new windows, or you are running an automated clicker. The first one is unlikely unless your telling them to, so either way a have deemed you as leech, Somedays i make nothing somedays i make 6 bucks it just depends on traffic and what type of ads your getting

Curiosity

1:07 am on Jul 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Rather than widening them, you might want to consider making them a different color or turning them into a horizontal banner in between the main sections of the page. That'll make them stand out much better.

Zygoot

1:32 am on Jul 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Gargen and I appear to be the only ones smelling there is something terribly wrong with these stats.

An average of 3 clicks per impression just isn't normal! That's probably the reason why you aren't seeing any earnings at all.

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