UPS publisher status is hard for Non U.S. publisher

Thread for everyone making over $3K/mo except US publishers.

[buyingsites]

Hi all,
I would request every Non US publisher to respond to this thread and let's see if we are not making enough because we are non US publisher, even though our traffic is US traffic.
In couple of days we will know if we are left out by our godfather just because we are non US.

My stats ::
Number of sites : 50
Age with adsense : 1 year
Apx. daily number of clicks + - 10 before Feb 2005 above :: 100
Used to make before Feb 2005 above + - $100 :: $4K
Making avg. last months above + - $100 :: $1,500
Country :: UK
Avg daily click apx. now :: 500
Reason I think for up/down : Google keeps a tab on non US publisher on not to cross a limit of per month $.

Please respond to these questions for us to compare, because I don't see too many non US in UPS club here except for 1 or 2. My traffic got increased , I know a lot more now (offcourse due to webmasterworld :) ), but my earnings have decreased , no matter what I try it will increase for a day, but then smart pricing will come next day and I will back to $50/day from $150. It's understood becuase I have 50 sites so i cover lot of topics. Please let us know your aproximate stats for us to compare.

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Number of sites :
Age with adsense :
Avg daily click apx. before Feb 2005 above + - 10 ::
Used to make before Feb 2005 above + - $100 ::
Making avg. last months above + - $100 ::
Country ::
Avg daily click apx. now ::
Reason I think for up/down :

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[Jenstar]

There are many non-US publishers earning more than $10k a month, so there definitely are not earnings limits placed on non-US publishers.

[lammert]

First of all welcome to WebmasterWorld!

IMHO there is no evidence that it is more difficult for non US publishers to reach the UPS status than for US publishers. I do not know the country of origin of most posters as I do not know the amount of money they earn, and to be honest I am not interested in it.

If you focus on good content, that the advertisers are willing to pay for, and you are getting good traffic, you will reach the UPS status eventually.

[buyingsites]

Jenstar thanks for the reply, and I have learned a lot from your posts.

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[edited by: Jenstar at 4:09 am (utc) on July 9, 2005]
[edit reason] TOS #4 [/edit]

[robdawg]

Is the UPS club over 10k US per month?

[buyingsites]

yes UPS club is a term which is madeup by people here for over $10K. Cheques used to delivered by UPS for over $10k. I see may be EFV is in UPS and any one else? Any one over $3k Non US publisher want to share your data for comparison?

Jenstar, thanks for editing post , i was thinking of editing it myself too :)

[joeduck]

buyingsites -

Are you sure that ALL your traffic comes from USA and Europe? My understanding is that your hosting location might mean you get more local traffic and therefore a different ad mix. Ads of interest to India, for example, tend to pay much less than those appealing to US markets (in my limited experience).

[Visit Thailand]

Why do you think G would want to do anything like this? It would not make sense to them, what difference does it make to G if it sends a cheque or transfer to Thailand, Singapore or Hong Kong than within the US or am I missing something.

I can see how perhaps EPC maybe higher in certain countries than others, and how some advertisers may target specific countries and neglect others but suggesting G penalises non-US based AdSense accounts just does not stand up to rational or business related logic imho.

[buyingsites]

joeduck ::: All of my traffic is not US , it is same country traffic ratio which gave me $150/day now gives me $50/day.
Visit Thailand :: There can be numerous issue by which google can restrict max earnings/mo. for Non US publisher, which only they know or we could predict if people post their stats here.
Some I can think of ::
Over $10k needs to be reported to IRS, specifically going out of US, and god knows how many other depts. due to restriction of funds going out due to 9/11.

IMO lot of established sites of Non US based publishers won't be getting same $/click just because of this tap.

I know 37 people (US publishers) personally, who are or were in UPS club at one time or the other.
I don't know even one publisher Non US publisher who is in UPS club.

These are the maximum earnings I know of people ::: For UK I think max is $7K. In India max tap is $4k. In hongkong $6k. If you are making more than this then let us know.

[Marc_P]

I am extremely close the 10k and I live in Canada. I'm not done converting all the ads I want to convert to adsense, so I think with a little luck I will go over 10k for july.

I will try to remember to post back if I do and if I get the UPS check :)

[Visit Thailand]

I am not about to share my earnings, only my accountants and I know that. My point is this - G is a business, the more it earns the more it makes for itself and shareholders.

Even if G had to declare these to the IRS or whatever I do not know the rules on that so will take your word on it, why wouldn't they, they are making more money.

This is not a one man operation.

[jomaxx]

I don't know even one Non US publisher who is in UPS club.

This is just ludicrous. I'm in Canada and am in the "UPS Club", occasionally by a considerable margin, so now you know one.

[James]

About the ad mix that was just mentioned. Most of my domains are .co.uk's hosted in the UK, but the content is more US biased. Could this be why why traffic or revenue from Adsense is low?

[joeking]

I can see no reason whatsoever for Google to cap foreign earnings - and if they did they would state as much in the TOS. Look closer to home for your failure to make $10K a month.

[jenkers]

hmmm...I'm not in the UPS club. I'm also under 5 ft 10 inches tall. Therefore - G only allow taller people into the UPS club, leaving shorties like me to pick up the scraps. Outrageous...

[caran1]

EPC for Asian traffic will be lower than that for US traffic for most topics, since there are fewer advertisers

[GreenTea]

I've noticed that (by the way, I'm a US publisher) that when visitors from other countries visit my site, they tend not to click ads. In the wee hours of the morning (PST), about half the visitors are from outside the US and the CTR is pretty low. As the US visitors start to weigh in over the day, the CTR starts to rise to the usual. I've wondered if it's a language thing where brief, targetted ads may simply be too cryptic. Same thing on US holidays -- there's a good steady flow of non-US visitors who just don't seem to click ads.

[wheelie34]

restriction of funds going out due to 9/11

Good point!

[Jenstar]

For UK I think max is $7K.

I know several UK publishers making well above that.

[Dantol]

Why would Google put limit of earnings to non US publishers?

Google has only one goal, and that is to increase profits for its shareholders.

Now, if quality (Canadian, British etc) website can bring millions of quality customers to US advertisers, I see no reason why would Google penalize them?

For example, I have foreign exchange account in the United States. Why? Because if I trade in the US, I don't have to pay taxes. But, if I trade in Canada, I do have to pay taxes. Now, if you think that American advertiser does not want people like me to invest in American economy, you are wrong.

[joeking]

I have foreign exchange account in the United States. Why? Because if I trade in the US, I don't have to pay taxes.

Is that right Dantol, Canadians don't pay tax on business conducted abroad? If so you are very lucky :-)

[Jenstar]

Canadians don't pay tax on business conducted abroad?

Well, I paid a sizable chunk of my AdSense income to the Canadian government a few months ago, so always consult an accountant. Mine said if I didn't, it would be tax evasion ;)

[blairsp]

This is quite a stange thread. Everyone appears to be saying. Obviously there are, I know of, there must be, etc

yet only one person has actually stated that they make the required amount and another has stated that they do it occasionally. Perhaps either our members are shy about revealing their earnings or the assumptions being made are wrong and VERY few Non US are in that club.

[Wonderstuff]

I can't see any benefit to G by favouring US sites. The Internet is a global medium, with global advertisers and customers. Money will follow successful sites that bring in the punters, and give advertisers sales.

[morpheus83]

In the end it depends on your content and serps and not your locations ;-)

[testy]

after feb my CPM has gone way down. Now it stands at .5
don't know if it can go any further down. CTR and ad impressions has increased.?

waiting for yahoo..

[rbacal]

Is that right Dantol, Canadians don't pay tax on business conducted abroad? If so you are very lucky :-)

No, it's not true. Depending on particular case situation, either you end up paying taxes to Canada, OR you pay taxes to the U.S. If you aren't paying to one or the other, it IS tax evasion.

Not to mention that if you "do business" within the U.S. google has different requirements (e.g. US. tax ID).

If you get caught, it's big trouble. And these days, scrutiny of money/banking is at an all time high. You may get away with things for years, but when you get busted, the longer you got away with it, the more likely you are to not want to bend down to get the soap.

(just as an aside, I had to deal with Canada CCRA (like the IRS) because they mistakenly believed I had not declared some U.S. income. Not a major problem, because everything WAS declared. The two countries share a lot of information regarding income.

[cornwall]

You read some pretty batty hypothesis at WebmasterWorld, and this one is among the silliest.

Google (and I am one of their most tenacious critics) are a company worth (according to the stock market anyway) over $80 billion. They do not care if you are based in Cornwall, Chicago or Cairo. The AdWords bids go in to their computers, and your site gets targeted ads. You get a cheque based on the bids, clicks and impessions you put out. It is preposterous to think there is a guy doctoring your account based on your geographical location.

Take it from me there is not a limit put by Google on UK cheques of $3k per month. Conceivably they have not realised that Cornwall is part of the UK, but happily AdSenseAdvisor, nor indeed any Google employee, ever reads anything here, so I feel safe in making this geographical statement.;)