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My website is 2 months old and contains around 400 pages of content (no forums). Only around 25 pages were spidered by Google. I think we (aka: publishers) should concentrate on getting all of our content pages spidered by Google & MSN, while adding new content daily. Content enrichment is highly important: write 3 articles per day and your website will be enriched by 90 articles by month - it's that simple. We all want our visitors to come back, preferably every single day :).
But of course, THE MOST important part for all webmasters is marketing. High traffic of (non-spam) visitors is what we all crave for. It's a backbone of any profitable - content-rich - website.
I am not worried by CTR - my CTR is high enough. What I need is at least 500,000 unique visitors per month, so I can receive good payceque and sizeable "fan base" of return visitors.
Of course, gaining 500,000 visitors by spam is easy - but as I said earlier, I don't want any spam traffic. I want normal visitors who will show some interest in my website's content and - maybe - love it (and recommend it to their friends etc).
Google AdSense can make you rich (by my standards, if you make at least $100,000 per year - you are rich!). And some people do make $100,000 and over $100,000 per year by simply using AdSense. It's possible. I wanna be one of them, we all wanna be one of them.
Don't we? :)
Best of luck for your earning and goals for generating content rich website. Making $100,000 is a good goal.
High CTR is good aceivement but hich CPC is also an area to work on.
What if you write an article which gives you $,05 per click and other artcile gives you $5.0 per click.
How can we target the quality visitors, I am using adword for that but my retuen is not good enough!
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When I write articles, my focus is on specific sectors (banks, finances, investments etc) that pay well. Plus, I don't write all articles myself - I use other people's content too (first, I ask them for permission, and if they say YES, I give them full credit). My average click through rate seems to hold steady @ $.80 per click. This combined with relatively high CTR has a possibility of producing high income. All I need is high traffic of (non-spam) visitors. Let's do some calculations:
IF I get 150,000 unique visitors this month x minimum of 4 page hits per visit = 600,000 hits x at least 15% CTR = 90,000 click x $.80 per click (average) = $72,000/month.
With this kind of money, I could live comfortably for 2 years! Maybe I could even get married! Certainly, I would go for a nice trip or two! :)
Ohhhh.... it makes me feel so good when I think about this money. BUT that's just fantasy. It's not going to happen this month. There is no easy way out, I will have to work hard to bring 150,000 unique visitors to my website. And I have some plans do to so.
I am going to be like $350+ from this month. I get 4000 Unique visitors and around 15,000 - 18,000 imp per day. I make less money because the keyword that I target gives me only around 10 cents per click and click rate is also never more than 1-2 %.
I know I dont perform well with such trafic but my idea of making the website was to make a nice ad free site. I will not put more ads untill my site becomes best in the category. My site is just 4 months old and has 35,000 pages. I spent more than a year to make it.
Trafic comes mainly from yahoo, Msn etc. google is yet to come. for the next few years I am not going to put more ads on the site. My site has a potencial of crossing a million imp / day.
I am waiting for the day, then i will tell you guys how much I make.
Best of luck to all of us.
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I am going to be like $350+ from this month. I get 4000 Unique visitors and around 15,000 - 18,000 imp per day. I make less money because the keyword that I target gives me only around 10 cents per click and click rate is also never more than 1-2 %.
Honestly, you are performing very well, I have 9300 unique visitors and around 14,500 pages impression per month, which give me an adsense revenue of $ 110 a month, my average click earning is 15 cents.
sorry Arkanoid1984 but I get 15,000 IMP per day not per month.
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10 cents per click
I think you are at the same field with me. Humor, or maybe free graphics stuff? Keywords targetting freebies are not getting good pay. Mostly 0.05-0.10 cents. But these fields bring in traffic. So the point here is to get quantity but not quality.
There is no point to compare with those "m" word keywords. They are considered as quality. One click can get you like 10 clicks of 'free' keyword.
I think of it in terms of average income per day. Together, the blogs earn around $16 a day. But to get to my goal ($1000) a month, I need to do more. Blogs are high maintainence, so I'm thinking about ways to extend my interests into several other sites.
My current thought is to launch 18 sites, and earn an average of $1 a day on those. That would get me to my goal.
But these sites need to be low maintence. A "fire and forget" kind of thing.
What I'm doing now is thinking about topics that I'm interested in, and could write effectively about. I do some searching online to find out if the area is already saturated with sites. There's no way I can compete with the full-time, professional site builders.
When I find a niche (I've found three), I write a few advice articles, submit it to search engines, link to it from my blogs and then wait. It doesn't take long for the search engines to start indexing the new sites.
In the couple of weeks, I've launched three such sites. They now each are averaging 50 visitors and .30 cents a day.
My problem is in finding the unmined niches. I'm going to have to start thinking more creatively
IF I get 150,000 unique visitors this month x minimum of 4 page hits per visit = 600,000 hits x at least 15% CTR = 90,000 click x $.80 per click (average) = $72,000/month.
I once thought that way too but higher volumes of visitors doesn't always equate higher CTR or matching earnings. When you cast a very wide net you catch a lot of people who's interest levels vary in your topic and your site may not satisfy what they were looking for and they bail before clicking anything.
When your traffic increases it also seems like ad rates tend to go down, not up, it's a supply and demand thing tied to advertisers budgets and probably a Smart Pricing thing as well. If an advertiser is willing to spend $X to get X customers and suddenly you can deliver 2X the number of customers than the advertiser has in his budget why wouldn't he just cut his CPC to get the same number of clients? That's how I played AdWords, only pay what it takes to reach your goal, nothing more, nothing less.
The more visitors you get, it seems like the more your EPC drops.
Probably has to do with targetting; think about it, if you take the content route, you'll add more and more content that end up paying $0.03 per click vs. those that pay $0.80. There's a definite levelling effect... unless you take the route of keeping the content the same, but someone increase the traffic into it via other means. Instead of creating 1,000 pages of content that bring in 7,000 people a day, you funnel in 7,000 to your original 100 pages.
Also, and maybe this is just us, I think counting on 15% click-through is a little high. I'd half that when doing projections. It depends very much on ad placement, number of ads running, whether you're adding Ad Links, and so on.
I then decided to tweak my ad layout (once again), and I saw my profits go up 400%. I basically got rid of the leaderboard, and just recently removed the skyscraper. The ad layout that did it for me was the large rectangle. I placed it underneath my article title, and above my article content. You can see an example by visiting the website in my profile, and clicking on an article.
Other things I've been doing in the last month have been HTML enhancements. Things like using H1 headers, and so on. My traffic has been climbing ever since, along with my revenue. I'm currently averaging well over $100/day now.
When your traffic increases it also seems like ad rates tend to go down, not up
Yes, it does seem that way.
If an advertiser is willing to spend $X to get X customers and suddenly you can deliver 2X the number of customers than the advertiser has in his budget why wouldn't he just cut his CPC to get the same number of clients?
You could be right - if there are lots of advertisers that work that way, that may be part of the cause.
For me as an adwords advertiser, it works differently: I make sure each ad is profitable. So provided the quality of traffic stays the same (ie conversion rates) - you can send me us much traffic as you like - double, 10x, 100x, 1000x - I don't care - there's no limit to the money I'm prepared to make :-)
The reality may be that as traffic volume increases, quality, and conversions, tend to drop, therefore a combination of smart pricing, and advertisers dropping their bids in response depresses the EPC for publishers.
But that's not the end of the world we just need to drive even MORE traffic - and keep tweaking those AdSense positions and formats - and keep looking for new places to add extra ads, without diminishing the user experience too much.
Something happened on May 5th. I have been a publisher since last August and never seen anything like that happen before.
On May 5th (when they changed the Page Impressions to be more accurate) my eCPM took a huge drop. Does this have some weird effect on smartpricing or could it just be that the holiday season is finally over? (Which if the latter is true, then that's crazy how it all took affect on the same day).
Actually when my trafic was around 3-4000 Impressions per day I used to get $0.03 - $0.7 per click now that the impressions are over 12,000 Imp per day the rate is like 10cents per click. Believe me so far I have not done any modifications in the site structure or placement of ad units its only trafic playing a role.
Now that I am working on making my site better(XHTML, CSS colors etc.) I expect the profit to go up. I think 4% click rate is always posible.
Just wanted the small players to know that more trafic is more profit for atlest those who make 3-5 cents per click.
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I am working on getting into directories, because I want my site to be trusted by Google (its obviously not trusted if they dumped me!).
It's not a matter of trust, Google's algorithms don't have trust issues.
Something changed that altered the ranking and possibly other sites fit the new criteria better.
More IBLs (inbound links) never hurts though, just don't get too many too quick.
Then, I had a throw away domain that was gathering dust. I did some experimental php SEO coding on it and added it as a channel.
Now, after less than a month, (it had a PR3) I am earning more from that domain, than the 'sweat and toil' of my hobby website - and this one takes only minutes a week to maintain.
Crazy Adsense world aint it.
No question that layout will result in the highest click-thru.
However, it may also lead to more "accidential" clicks, which in turn should knock down your payout over time according to the SmartPricing principle, which means you get paid less for less relevant clicks (those that don't convert to sales, ex. accidental clicks).
I've seen this on a small test site we had - first month we implemented this, it would make over $40 a day, but after two months, it dropped down to $5 a day and has stayed there or below since.
But who knows?! After the Bourbon update, the only thing you can be sure of is that nothing lasts. Sock away the money while you can and diversify.
