keywords MYTH

[2PACroatia]

i think, keyword lists are all but not true..

i've found some words..that suposed to b paying more then 5$ ( high numbers )..

to cut to the chace, i have wrote a text about this things and stuff, and after that..i started getting those 'high' paying ads..

guess what?
days before..i started getting 1$ clicks ( or 0.5, it's not important )..but after those HIGH paying words..
0.05 a click..

cool, ha?

it's all a myth..

[peewhy]

It's not a myth, high paying traffic begets high paying advertisers, adsense converts it to high paying commission.

Commissions fluctuate based on the above. Some ads on your page will be top payers and others will be the cheapo's, if you know which are which and can tweak your text to gain maximum quality, give it a go.

However, you'll always get the odd lowly ones, its all part of the marketing mix and click lottery.

[arubicus]

Also add a bit of smart pricing to the mix and heck if you know what you will get!

Just because your content is built around specific keyword(s) there may be others keywords on that page google is using to throw other ads in the mix. Although these ads may be targeted, they may not be those high paying ads you were expecting.

Keep in mind that "Widgets" and "widgeting" could have very similar ads but one could pay $0.03 per click and the other $10.00 per click. Even if you don't use different variations of keywords you my fall under a theme for a particular group of ads. Google just might offer better paying ads to a site completely about "widgets" with several pages about "widgets" than a site about "flarples" with 1 page about "glargets". I would think that would just be handled by smart pricing but you never know.

[edited by: arubicus at 3:17 pm (utc) on May 29, 2005]

[sailorjwd]

My channels regularly rotate between high paying ads low paying ads.

[PatrickDeese]

> it's all a myth...

It also depends on geotargeting. Just because someone is will to pay $5 or $15 for US-based keyword clicks, it doesn't mean that they are willing to pay $5 per click if the click originates in a foreign country.

[2PACroatia]

say what cya wanna say, i won't believe in 5$ clicks until i see them in my cpanel..

well..i have found out that word "word" ( example )..pays 5$

and i start writting about worods and the word word..

and i start getting adsa about low cost wrods and stuff..

there isn't a way to know it those are really 5$ clicks or cheap ones..
how to find out? wait and see, you will say..

seems that ads that have high paying rate, are very dull and pips won't click on them..
so there you go..

does some1 have got some ebook or keywords list?

[PatrickDeese]

> i won't believe in 5$ clicks until i see them in my cpanel..

The most that a channel has ever registered for me personally was $9.27 for a single click. The same channel has made as low as $.03 per click.

The payout depends on many different factors.

[arubicus]

"US-based keyword clicks, it doesn't mean that they are willing to pay $5 per click if the click originates in a foreign country."

Oh yeah I can vouch for that one. One new site of ours got picked up by a South African directory and there is a HUGE difference between those and US/CA/UK clicks.

[peewhy]

I've picked up some that are just short of $10, i've picked up many for just over a dollar!

'In the middle of a massive forest, out of earshot from anyone, a giant old redwood fell, nobody heard it creak and crash to the ground. There's one myth that says it never made a noise when it fell, and another myth that says it never stood upright, it always laid there.'

[incrediBILL]

i won't believe in 5$ clicks until i see them in my cpanel.

I'll never see anything that high on my site with an average of $0.20 but my first 14 clicks after midnight last night generated $11. Go figure. It's not a myth! :)

[RonS]

and i start writting about worods and the word word..

and i start getting adsa about low cost wrods and stuff..

Maybe your article copy had a couple of typos in it?

[2PACroatia]

i doubt it..
i copied the exact phrases from adsense keyword list ( found it on the net )
i had over last week different kinds of ads..
i don't know..why do this ads now appear if they are not the most expensive ones?
cuz i only have one ad box..
go figure..

[peewhy]

Do you write in your native language?

[PatrickDeese]

> cuz i only have one ad box.. go figure..

I am going to go out on a limb here, and speculate that you are located in Croatia?

You *will not* see the same ads as people in the US, or other countries - nor will the clicks be the same value as clicks in the US.

I will give you an example. I live in Mexico, but most of my sites are targeted to US visitors. Before Google offered the Adsense Preview Tool [google.com], I could never see the US targeted ads.

Another example, I have a site that make $1.50 to $3.75 per click average, and I also have a Spanish version of the site, which gets traffic mainly from Latin America - the Spanish version of the site has never made more that $.35 - $.40 per click average.

[peewhy]

Copy writing skills and grammar play an important roll too.

[DavidDeprice]

High paying keywords are not a myth, but, you'll see less and less of them. And here is why - advertisers are getting smarter. I am both AdSense publisher and Adwords advertiser and every half-ass decent marketer knows the tactics to cut your AdSense cost by 80% (in fact Perry Marshall has a small chapter on that).
Imagine you call your local newspaper, say The Sacramento Bee and ask them for their ad rates. The first question they'll ask you is what section you want to advertise in, correct? They are not going to say
"Ok, so you want to put an ad in our Real Estate Section. OK, it's 20 bucks if your house is in Rocklin, 3 bucks if your house in West Sacramento, and 100 bucks if your house is in Granite Bay". No, you pay for section, size and frequency.
This is a big problem with AdSense - it's NonSense to do that. I've got a friend who runs a PPC consulting company (the top bid for "PPC", according to Overture Bid Tool is 5 bucks). He bids on terms that are of interest to webmasters - HTML terms, etc. He never bids more than 5 cents, but he has almost 600 terms he bids on. Say you bid on CSS, but your ad says "Want to increase ROI of your PPC campaign?" When person clicks it, he is not going to know what keyword triggered the ad. He'll click only if he is interested in paying for PPC consulting. But the difference in paying for PPC and for CSS is 100 times.
It's not rocket science, you know. I use this trick myself. As an Adsense publisher, I get between 4 cents and 1.80 per click. But the audience is THE SAME REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH YOU PAY (my site is rather small - only 200 pages). Paying for keywords makes sense when it's search. It makes no sense for AdSense. If you use context advertising it makes sense paying for access to the audience and that price has to be uniform. TV execs don't charge one advertiser $10000 bucks per spot because it's a car ad and $1000000 because it's a Viagra ad. No, the price is the same (all other factors excluded). But AdSense does charge differently for the same audience, based on a keyword. Google has some of the smartest people and I've got big news for you - they understand this absurdity. That's why they implemented smart pricing and rolling out banner ads - to make things more fair. it will still be keyword based, but I guarantee you that in a year I may receive I dollar for a "PPC" click, while you will recieve 5 cents for the same keyword because my site is quality site that was not created specially for Adsense (in fact it makes up only 10% of the revenue) and you run a stupid scraper site (when I say "you" I don't mean anyone in particular). And that's going to be fair for everybody.
End of rant.

Oh, and by the way - you are stupid if you buy these reports on high paying keywords and hope to get rich this way - build up your website instead.

[2oddSox]

Copy writing skills and grammar play an important roll too.

LOL

[peewhy]

Bang to rights/writes there/their

[2PACroatia]

DavidDeprice>>>
i'm fillin ya man..

but you are lucky cuz your site is on English..
and I got my portal that's in croatian..
so, as you see, i got a bit of problem..
so i tried experimenting with blog...

you r lucky, cuz if i put adsnse ads on my portal, i would have my check mailed to me..in a blink of an eye..

pure luck..

[DavidDeprice]

It does not matter what language your site is in. AdSense model has SERIOUS flaws. Here is an example.
Let's say I want to put a classified ad for "bicycle".
If newspapers used the AdSense model, I'd pay the same price for the ad regardless where it's printed - USA Today, Modesto Bee or Miami Herald. Some may argue that this statement is not correct because you pay per click in AdSense, but what I am getting to is the fact that click from site A is not equaly valuable as click from site B, even though it's same keyword. And if we are talking about one website, it's absurd when one click is worth 4 cents and another one over a dollar, if it's coming from the same source. Google is already fixing this by letting advertisers pick websites where they want ads displayed. I can guarantee you that soon the pay per click model in AdSense will change when advertisers may pay different amount for the same keyword in AdSense, based on the conversion rate. As far as I know smart pricing already does that to AdSense publishers, but I don't know if the advertisers are charged one fee or not. I've seen times (one or two instances), when google charged me 4 cents, even though the minimum bid is 5 cents and I was willing to pay 6. Say goodbye to the "asbestos", "lead paint" and the M word days.

[2PACroatia]

it does not matter?
what are you talkin about?

if you own most visited X site ( with the most orginal content, you started this genre ) in language not approved by adsense, you can't be accepted, and that's it..

[RonS]

DD, you're so far off...

Advertisers are bidding for keywords which appear on pages. In effect, they are bidding for best placement on any page on which a certain terms appears.

That PAGE has a value, independent of the site that it's located on. You know this intuitively; I'd strongly guess that a large percentage of your visitors find your site through a search engine, and they don't land on the front page. That's why the AdSense model can be -and has to be- different than a print model.

Very likely there are pages on wsj.com that aren't worth as much as some on somesite.com, simply because of the subject matter, SERP placement and relevence to the browsing community.

People aren't finding my content laden pages because they're interested in the main subject or (usually) the URL of my site, they're finding my content having searched for specific keywords and phrases. Some of those pages on my "anysite.com" site are more well researched, better written and highly more valuable to most people than most any page on the wsj.

On TV, advertisers are bidding for the type and quantity of eyeballs that watch particular shows, the same way that they are bidding for the type of eyeballs that read my site. However, the eyeballs reading my site are reading it because they are interested in the exact subject of the business of the advertiser/bidder. Hence a highly targetted visitor. Visitors interested in "M" litigation are worth more to advertisers than visitors looking looking for "free forum skins".

I'll stop here, but I could go on for several hours and refute every single point in your posts.

[Rodney]

Imagine you call your local newspaper, say The Sacramento Bee

sounds like you're from my neck of the woods DavidPierce :)

[DavidDeprice]

Graduated from UC Davis with Bachelor's in Microbiology.