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5:10 pm on Sep 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Has anyone downloaded the new version of Opera (7.20)? Apparently (I got this from another forum [webmasterworld.com], haven't tried it yet) if you haven't purchased the browser it runs AdSense at the top - but the interesting part is that the ads come from the page you are viewing.
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> but the interesting part is that the ads come from the page you are viewing.

Nope!

To my knowledge Opera collect information about what kind of websites you visit most, and then show relevant ads..

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Nope!
To my knowledge Opera collect information about what kind of websites you visit most, and then show relevant ads..

Nope! ;-)

I'm testing it right now, and it shows ads related to the page you are currently on, if it has been indexed by the Mediabot, otherwise it shows a "Buy Opera today"-non Google banner. I'm looking at some of my sites' pages and the ads are often the same in Opera and on the page - but it definitely has 'small blue widgets' ads on the small blue widgets page - not just generic widgets ads.

(also, interesting to note, it has the much-maligned [webmasterworld.com]Related Searches link at the bottom)

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Guess your right :)

More info on opera.com/adsupport/

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What is the effect of visiting a site that already displays AdSense?

In the name of all that is good about Google, I hope they made the right decision here.

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What is the effect of visiting a site that already displays AdSense?

According to the linked thread above, Adsense is double served which is an Adsense TOS violation. The question is, who is doing the violating?

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Must be google.. Wounder what adsense users think about this feature? Where does the users click? on the "opera adsense" or the "website adsense"?
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Where does the users click? on the "opera adsense" or the "website adsense"?

I would guess that after having Opera for a day or two you would start to tune out their ads, and the 'website adsense" is more likely to get the click.
It is kind of fun surfing with this on though, seeing what Google thinks of various sites. James Lileks mentioned cheese in his column a couple of days ago, so the ads on there are for Italian cheese.
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That kinda offeres the question, where adsesne next? On the desktop? In your newspaper? On a TV show? ;)

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As a long term opera user, I have pretty much become immune to having the ads there at all and have never clicked on one... the fact that they are now adsense makes no difference to me and am still just as unaware of them.
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I just noticed, that the 'Ads by Google' link on the adsense in Opera take you to a page on the opera site and not the standard google one... here is an excerpt from that page

[opera.com ]

Google determines what ads and related searches are relevant based on the URL and content of the page you are viewing and your IP address, which are sent to Google via the Opera browser.

So it looks like finoo and seaboy you are both right :)

10:57 am on Sept 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Opera ads are related to my pages, but are not identical to the ones showing on my site. And they seem to be even better targeted.

I have several pages about buying domain names; sometimes AdSense shows domain name ads, sometimes ads more generic to my site.

Right now, my page is showing generics, but the Opera ads are showing domain name ads.

Also, I note that "Related Searches" are back on the Opera ads. That beast isn't dead yet, then!

D.

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So it looks like finoo and seaboy you are both right

Sure hope not. That would make Opera more like hijacking software and Google supporting it. Doesn't sound right like the right thing to do to.

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Sure hope not. That would make Opera more like hijacking software and Google supporting it. Doesn't sound right like the right thing to do to.

Maybe they are just using your IP for regionalisation.

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Maybe. But I'd be a little upset if there are two AdSense ads when someone comes to one of the sites I work on and they click the Opera ad instead of the site ad. Not quite scumware but if Google sanctions it then it is even worse.

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yes justageek is right from where i sit. Why should i compete for adsense revenue for work i do on my site with the browser company used to access it?

Simplest avenue at the moment is to discourage our users from using Opera. Not that its bad. Just that people using opera make me less money (though just the free/adsense chossing ones). Selfishness rules!

12:42 am on Nov 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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This topic is hotting up quite fiercely at both the Amazon Associates Forum and the Opera User's Forum.

Amazon:
[forums.prospero.com...]

Opera:
[my.opera.com...]

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What percentage of the buying public uses Opera?

And of the people who do use Opera, how many use the free version that shows ads?

I'd be more concerned if, say, About.com or Ask Jeeves started framing third-party pages with AdSense ads. (Come to think of it, maybe they're already doing so!)

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I blocked Opera from all my websites several weeks ago because of this.

The ads are definitely targetted to the page they appear in conjuction with.

I tested it in on a new site without Adsense. The Mediapartners bot follows the Opera browser around the site within the minute.

If you already run Adsense then an ad is displayed. If you don't run Adsense then the default ad is shown until after Mediapartners hits the page.

Yes, Google is aware of this. They are permitting Opera to double serve ads, based on the content of the websites, in competition with the site.

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I would encourage anyone blocking Opera to only use the latest version which I understand only blocks unregistered users.

Further, I would emphasise the efforts to get users to register.

Just in case this blows up at Google, we need to be seen as taking an understandable, defensive, yet responsible position.

<script type="text/javascript">
<!--
if(navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Opera')!= -1 navigator.appName.indexOf('Opera')!= -1)
{
if(navigator.userAgent.indexOf('7.2')!= -1 navigator.userAgent.indexOf('7.3')!= -1)
{
if( screen.availHeight - window.outerHeight > 95)
{
top.location.replace("http://www.opera.com/buy/?do_not_use_Google_AdSense_at_my_site")
alert ("Please Register Your Opera Browser")
}
}
}
// -->
</script>

10:31 pm on Nov 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I saw this post. I'm the one from the Amazon forums that figured out the "unregistered" Opera detection. As it is displayed here, the script does have the weakness that it can be deactivated by turning off JavaScript. The full version of the script uses both JavaScript and PHP overcome this weakness. If it would be appropriate to post the URL for the full script (which is on my site) please let me know.
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I'd be more concerned if, say, About.com or Ask Jeeves started framing third-party pages with AdSense ads.

I've seen at least one site doing this already, europeforvisitors, though I don't know how they get the ads to be relevant to the external framed page instead of the internal top-bar which contains the AdSense Panel.

That has to be a violation of the AdSense TOS, surely?

Not that I'm going to report the site, I don't approve of informers

As for Opera, I can't say I'm that bothered about the double-served AdSense... banner blindness is incredibly powerful. Someone told me the other day that AdWords on the Google SERPS come up in different colours. I'd honestly never noticed...

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I've seen at least one site doing this already, europeforvisitors, though I don't know how they get the ads to be relevant to the external framed page instead of the internal top-bar which contains the AdSense Panel.

I played around with the europeforvisitors website and could not find any frames anywhere on the site. There were a few times that the page loaded with such a speed that at first glance it looked like loaded a frame, but every time I viewed a source code it was a normal non-framed webpage.

Given the way Google AdSense works, I don't see how any site could frame another site and display Google ads that are related to the site being framed. Even if Google were cooperating like they do with Opera, I don't think it would work. To pull this off it really requires that the URL of the page being displayed be fed back to Google. At best, with Google's cooperation, site 'A' could frame site 'B' and get a relevant banner for the first page being framed but after that I don't see how it could be done.

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Err... KenB, I was responding to his comment, not denouncing his website >;->

<added> ...and I think I can see how this trick would be possible now, anyway. The site I've seen which does this - I won't mention it - displays a leaderboard in the top 20% of screen estate using fixed frames.

It would be elementary to do a cut and paste job on the text of the site which is loading into the bottom frame and place it lower down the source page of the top frame, such that it couldn't be seen in a browser. </added>

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Err... KenB, I was responding to his comment, not denouncing his website >;->

My bad. I got totally confused. I guess with all of the forums I have been reading lately, I've started getting blind to the left column with usernames. I never realized that was a username, I just assumed it was a domain name of a bad site you were referring to.

I was never into posting or following forums closely until about a month and a half ago when I got caught up in the Opera thingy over at the Amazon and then Opera forums. I'm now trying to scope out different forums to see which are the most worthwhile to participate in and which ones just degrade into "me to" or petty bickering. I recognize some of the usernames appear to be people who I've seen post in other forums (IanCP maybe?).

How do you guys rank this forum in regards to others? I don't mind subscribing if a forum will be worthwhile to expanding my knowledge of things related to website design and affiliate marketing. I've been watching the WebmasterWorld forums from time to time for several months now, but it is hard to gage it based on the non-subscription section. Is there a real bang for my buck for subscribing? It does seem that all links lead to these forums.

Sorry for being off topic.

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Yes Ken it is me.

Subscribing? Well as you know I'm a big believer in financially supporting anything I use regularly.

Is it worth the cost? Who knows? For mine, I could glean just one little nugget of information over twelve months which could reward me 10 X the cost.

My philosophy, your milage may vary.