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Google re-indexing causes Adsense CPM to skyrocket

Is Adsense using SE rank to determine smart-pricing?

         

MikeNoLastName

9:17 pm on May 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I find it awfully coincidental today that as everyone is talking about the latest bourbon re-indexing, and our key pages have jumped up a few notches in the new indexing IPs, that our traffic remained fairly constant but CPM shot up 33-50% from the last week's average. Anyone else noticing correlation between their G SE ranking for key terms and the change in PPC/CPM on a page?

spaceylacie

10:49 pm on May 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Mine went way up recently too, but I was thinking that it had something to do with a site change that I made.

spaceylacie

10:51 pm on May 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Oh, hey, and I just checked, I'm back at #1 for my main keyword! Out of 32 million! I haven't been at #1 since mid-December, when that other update happened!

Chopster

10:59 pm on May 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yeah, I noticed this morning that my two word website name is at #1. Now if only I was #1 for a keyword. Oh well.

skippy

11:16 pm on May 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I find that targeting gets screwy during updates. Often when people are screaming about adsense is when something is going on in the index.

spaceylacie

1:18 am on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I went to Google News after reading this thread and realizing my Google serps had changed drastically, people are talking about a real serp update.

I'm not sure what it has to do with CPM, but I think I like it.

annej

1:58 am on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Anyone else noticing correlation between their G SE ranking for key terms and the change in PPC/CPM on a page?

Are we talking about relating CPM to improvements in serps or are you thinking that Google is now considering ranking on related key words in setting CPM.

My CPM seems ot be going up some but my search engine results are about the same. But results on my prime key words are good (within top 10 in most cases) so maybe that is why.

spaceylacie

2:01 am on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"Are we talking about relating CPM to improvements in serps or are you thinking that Google is now considering ranking on related key words in setting CPM."

That's the question in my mind, which is it?

spaceylacie

2:02 am on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I don't know which came first, the chicken or the egg!

CalArch90

2:12 am on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Noticed an increase in CPM as well today.

I'm convinced the collective ups and downs that publishers experience with AdSense, including the big drop that everyone was talking about after the 5th, is directly related to updates to the Google SE index.

Right around the 5th there was a minor reshuffling of the index and a lot of people saw their income drop, myself included.

This time around the update has had a positive impact it seems on many advertisers. I've noticed the same pattern in the past months.

icedowl

7:32 am on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I don't know which came first, the chicken or the egg!

I was recently discussing this with an 80 year old man and he said it was the rooster!

I haven't experienced any raise in eCPM, CTR or anything else this month. Positions in the SERP's haven't changed either as far as I can tell for my main site. I have noticed poor targeting on many, many pages.

valeyard

7:59 am on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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How do Google decide on what ads to show on a page and how to smartprice them? Presumably through - amongst other things - some algorithm that attempts to determine page subject and quality.

How do Google decide on what pages to put at the top of the SERPS? Presumably through - amongst other things - some algorithm that attempts to determine page subject and quality.

Seems likely to me that the two algorithms are connected. If so then a change in the algo will change SERPS positions, selection of ads and EPC.

Which could be a triple bonus or a triple whammy.

sailorjwd

11:04 am on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Sorry to burst your bubble but I'm seeing great CPM the last few days and 90% of my site has been removed from the G index with this update. I'm seeing some wonderful click values I've never seen before (between ten and twenty $)

spaceylacie

4:07 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Ahh, the rooster, of course!

"Seems likely to me that the two algorithms are connected. If so then a change in the algo will change SERPS positions, selection of ads and EPC."

Makes sense to me. I'm still at #1 under my keyword at google, plus aol, and netscape now, starting this morning. eCPM is way up as well. Hoping for the triple bonus!

chopin2256

5:03 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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90% of my site has been removed from the G index with this update.

Yup, I am nowhere to be found on Google anymore..even for cryptic keyphrases! I ranked better than when I was in the sandbox for some reason. I am not banned though. I was doing well for 3 months and improving. I am now more susceptible to click fraud, since my impressions will be very low. What to do what to do.

spaceylacie

6:31 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It's been since mid-December that I've seen my #1 listings. I got dropped to #14 in google, aol, and netscape. Yesterday, back at #1 at google.com. This morning, #1 on aol and netscape(I was still #14 yesterday). They are mainly how-to sites.

creepychris

6:34 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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EPM (through EPC) is up here too. There does seem to be some correlation between the index update and EPC

spaceylacie

6:40 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yeah, my EPC is up too, along with the better rankings, EPC up over 25%. Connection, I think so.

icedowl

6:47 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Something has improved today. Nearly a match to the earnings of all of yesterday with only 1/4 the ad unit impressions and 1/2 the clicks. Might end up being a decent day.

clearvision

7:20 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I was thinking...what happens if Google's reindex displaces higher earning adsense publishers and the tops search winners aren't (yet) adsense publishers?

Does this seem out of line that that the serps have competitors lower in the serps and aren't offering the amount of visibility. Thus adsense revenues have been rising because of the shifting?

Are you getting more visitors than normal,more clicks or just higher cpm ... or all the above?

wheelie34

7:25 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I dont know if my SERPS are better than they were a few days ago, I dont see much difference in many keywords I target, BUT my main revenue generating site (of which I have 19 running adsense) has just had a major rebuild, yes I did think long and hard about doing it.

I ran the new design through a few people, the general consensus was "go for it, make it live" so I did. The design was totally setup for adwords but without ruining the sites appearence, all the result of months of testing ads position, colours etc

For some reason, the site has in the last few days (launched wednesday 18th May) had about 50% increase in eCPm not much traffic increase, and the ctr is now 28.3%, last week it was around 11 - 14% so not only has the revenue for a click almost doubled, the amount of clicks has gone up by 10% too, the last 4 days earnings are excellent I passed my per days earnings target 3 hours into the day today.

I think it is more likely the site change rather than the SERPS helping as I said traffic is very similar to a regular day for the last couple of weeks.

spaceylacie

7:30 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"I was thinking...what happens if Google's reindex displaces higher earning adsense publishers and the tops search winners aren't (yet) adsense publishers?"

I think the opposite is happening, but just my opinion, why wouldn't Google want to send visitors to their own? We all do it ourselves, don't we? Try to keep visitors within our own Internet presence.

"Are you getting more visitors than normal,more clicks or just higher cpm ... or all the above?"

All of the above. #1 in google, aol, and netscape under my 3 most sought over keywords/2 word phrase. Google, as of yesterday, all of them, as of today.

Higher CTR. I took away the border color from my Adsense ads(made it match site) so they blend better with content.

Higher eCPM. Up 25%+.

spaceylacie

7:33 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"Higher eCPM. Up 25%+. "

Oops, I meant EPC.

Zygoot

7:49 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Damn I really hopes this is just temporarily. My main money maker got hit terribly :( It's too soon to report accurate numbers but it seems like I'm getting 200-300 percent less traffic.

spaceylacie

7:55 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Sorry, buddy, but I'm hoping it's permanent!

I'll probably be back tomorrow, complaining...

bnhall

7:57 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Maybe people hit negatively by the update have increased their adwords budget to replace the lost traffic.

wheelie34

7:58 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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how do you manage to get 200 - 300 % LESS traffic, if you got 100% less, you would have nothing, no visits, thats BAD, how bad is 200 - 300 % less, sorry I cant work that one out?

spaceylacie

8:06 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"Maybe people hit negatively by the update have increased their adwords budget to replace the lost traffic."

Good point. Alas, too soon to know anything for sure. Makes perfect sense though. My site is sending out tons of visitors to advertisers, they've got to be loving the numbers too.

Zygoot

8:11 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>how do you manage to get 200 - 300 % LESS traffic, if you got 100% less

Sorry my mistake, 200 to 300 is indeed not possible.. Should have been 50 to 75 percent less than usual, my maths were a bit messed up ;)

spaceylacie

8:12 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I just thought of something that has to do with Google ranking publisher sites higher...

In the past week, I linked up with 2 other, somewhat, "major" publishers also in my field, we are swapping 1000s of visitors. I'm wondering if this ties in as well. Keeping is all in the family?

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