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Adsense can drop you if you are clicking someone's ad.

     
11:45 pm on May 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Just to let you know that if you are clicking someone's adsense in their site and google find's out that you are also running adsense in your site, you can get in trouble. As you know, Google kept track of all publisher's ip addresses and they dont want you to click another publisher's ads. It sound's wrong but Google is aware that some publishers are clicking each others ads. So dont take a risk instead, we should protect each other.

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12:19 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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What makes you say this comment asianguy, have you had a warning email relating to this?
12:22 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I regularly click ads on other sites when they interest me, just like other internet users. Are you seriously thinking that google is going to forbid that? I hope not, that would be terrible.
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Absolutely no way this is true.

1) Stop lying

or

2) Check your theory some more

12:27 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This would only be true if you were clicking on other people's ads over and over in an effort to try to get them kicked out...

Even in that case I don't know if Google has kicked anyone out.

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What i am saying, this could be one flaws that google didnt unravel. As we all know, many publishers have been dropped wondering why google have canceled their accounts. You can be banned either ways, whether you click your ads or you click someone's ads. However, this is just my theory, so be careful.
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Just don't join a "click ring". I also believe that Google is taking action against this, and dropping publishers because of it.
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That would be interesting, since AdSense is meant to be in every site and some says one day everyone will have a site (or at least a blog). Thus, someday everyone will be banned from AdSense and/or no one will click on anything. :)
1:12 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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No, that's not what he's talking about. I think he's just trying to say that Google is presently investigating this type of click fraud, so be careful.

Click rings have popped up. There are sometimes 100s, probably more, of members and they exchange clicks with each other, and recruit new members...

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If I went along throughout my day and clicked a few ads here and there on various publisher sites, there would be no repercussions to me whatsoever. It's crazy to think there would be.

And to get right down to an AdSense terms level, there is nothing that says I can't click ads on other people's ads.

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Asianguy, do you have any proof whatsoever that AdSense is doing this (ie. you have been warned that your account is in jeopardy if you continue to click another publisher's ads repeatedly). Or this is just something you thought of and wondered if they would do this?

[edited by: Jenstar at 1:56 am (utc) on May 15, 2005]

1:54 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I click ads sparingly, only because I know they are costing another Joe money. That being said, money is money to Google.

If I am shopping (and I do often) over the internet, believe me, the ROI on my click is well worth it to the website I'm clicking on.

2:17 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Billy,

Thanks - this is Joe.

I try to never click on an adsense ad. I usually just type the url in.

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if I see an interesting as on my site, I type in the url.
If I see an interesting ad on another site, I click it.
3:28 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yeah, if you've just clicked on someone's ad because it interested you(I've been tempted to click on my own, but wait, pull out the Google preview tool), that doesn't matter.

This thread is just a warning that there is a new type of click fraud out there, just don't be mistaken for one of these fraudulent publishers.

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You run Google AdSense on a site about pink widgets, and someone else runs a site about pink widgets and also runs Google AdSense.

If you go on a clicking fest (lets say... 1000 clicks in 10 minutes) on the other persons AdSense ads, I don't see how Google *wouldn't* care. I mean.. if I were Google, I'd boot you out for trying to sabotage your competition.

As for normal clicking... I don't see why Google would care. The internet practically is 50% google these days, so it's hard not to :)

4:43 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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<sings loudly>

PAAAAAAR AH NOYYYYYYYY AAAAAAAAAAAH!

5:50 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Jenstar, have you heard of ORGANIZED CLICK RINGS?
6:18 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Jenstar, have you heard of ORGANIZED CLICK RINGS?

Of course I have, but that is also soliciting fraudulent clicks on your own publisher account too, which IS clearly against the terms. And people have been suspended for that.

There is a lot of difference between clicking ads as a surfer as I roam the internet and sitting down and clicking someone's ads a few dozen times.

6:24 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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You shall not, and shall not authorize or encourage any third party to: (i) directly or indirectly generate queries, impressions of or clicks on any Search Results, Links and/or Ad(s) through any automated, deceptive, fraudulent or other invalid means, including but not limited to through repeated manual clicks, the use of robots or other automated query tools and/or computer generated search requests, and/or the unauthorized use of other search engine optimization services and/or software;

Note the terms do not specifically refer to your *own* ads. However, it only refers to fraudulent activity. General surfing with clicks on any ads (other than your own, of course!) is well within the terms.

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As we all know, many publishers have been dropped wondering why google have canceled their accounts

There was quite a few adsense publishers got the termination email from adsense the second week of March as per comments posted on this forums and nearly all of them was for having text on their sites encouraging visitors to click on the adsense ads, this has been proven time and time again and had nothing at all to do with invalid clicks, even though google send a generic email and use the words "your account has been terminated because of invalid clicks"

What I am trying to say is there are not that many get the boot because of automated software to generate clicks or becase of what your saying due to clicking on other sites adsense because I do believe that google have tracking in place what can detect this type of action otherwise forums would be full of publishers comments saying they have got the termination email for invalid clicks.

It really is only a small handful compared to the amount of publishers in total what have adsense on their sites so I don't think most of us have anything to worry about unless you are doing things on your site what do not conform to the TOS

asianguy I think your theory is wrong...

9:15 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Actually, I think his theory is *right*.

No doubt that Google are a big fan of neural networks of the form

flagValue = sum(w(i)*d(i)) (for i=# of datapoints)

Where w(i) is the weight and d(i) is a datapoint.

For example,
d(1) might be the number of times you click on other people's ads,
d(2) might be how many times you click on your own ads,
d(3) might be how low your conversion rates are,
d(4) might be how low the ads of the ones your clicking on,
d(5) might be how many times other adsense publishers click on the same ads you're clicking on,
d(6) might be how many adsense publishers that you're clicking on are clicking on your ads,

etc etc.

When you add w(1)*d(1)+w(2)*d(2)..+w(n)*d(n) all together if it is above some number X then they might drop you from adsense.

Or at the very least, they might come check your website out and you better be conforming well or you get dropped.

9:44 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Blaze, what's your opinion to these theories then...
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They have got nothing at all to do with your approach and got proved the publisher had broken the TOS by having text on their site what encouraged visitors to click on the ads, the trouble is its only if a publisher posts on the forum that they have had their account terminated do we have any rough figures to use as examples

Now granted google are looking for patterns with clicks there is no doubt about that but how do you explain these with your equations...?

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Click rings have popped up. There are sometimes 100s, probably more, of members and they exchange clicks with each other, and recruit new members...

There is so much happening on the web. Such intricacies. I love it.

Of course Google watches for any kind of click fraud. But I wouldn't think someone would be kicked out of Adsense for clicking on someone else's ads as a normal surfer would. But I don't take the risk. I don't click on ads anyway. Thanks for the warning, asianguy.

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have you heard of ORGANIZED CLICK RINGS?

Aaaahh... a case of mistaken identity, I see.

Well, I can see that happening, like if you update your website using computers in the same internet cafe (popular in some Asian countries where broadband is not yet widespread) used by click fraudsters.

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the trouble is its only if a publisher posts on the forum that they have had their account terminated do we have any rough figures to use as examples

Well, the equations are sufficient but not necessary. Basically, there are other solutions to this problem.

For example, maybe someone simply did a "google search" and problem adsense websites showed up.

In the end, the only solution is simply to read the TOS very carefully and comply very carefully.

3:24 pm on May 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It seems to me that people in these so-called rings would simply open AOL accounts where the IP's change with great regularity, sometimes in mid-session.

But criminals can't be depended upon to be rational, can they?

I'm sure Google is careful not to terminate honest accounts mistakenly, these after all are their bread and butter...

On the other hand, if Google's goal is full automation, we must err on the side of "robot paranoia."

Andi