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IMHO
1) Stop lying
or
2) Check your theory some more
Even in that case I don't know if Google has kicked anyone out.
Click rings have popped up. There are sometimes 100s, probably more, of members and they exchange clicks with each other, and recruit new members...
And to get right down to an AdSense terms level, there is nothing that says I can't click ads on other people's ads.
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Asianguy, do you have any proof whatsoever that AdSense is doing this (ie. you have been warned that your account is in jeopardy if you continue to click another publisher's ads repeatedly). Or this is just something you thought of and wondered if they would do this?
[edited by: Jenstar at 1:56 am (utc) on May 15, 2005]
If I am shopping (and I do often) over the internet, believe me, the ROI on my click is well worth it to the website I'm clicking on.
Thanks - this is Joe.
I try to never click on an adsense ad. I usually just type the url in.
This thread is just a warning that there is a new type of click fraud out there, just don't be mistaken for one of these fraudulent publishers.
If you go on a clicking fest (lets say... 1000 clicks in 10 minutes) on the other persons AdSense ads, I don't see how Google *wouldn't* care. I mean.. if I were Google, I'd boot you out for trying to sabotage your competition.
As for normal clicking... I don't see why Google would care. The internet practically is 50% google these days, so it's hard not to :)
PAAAAAAR AH NOYYYYYYYY AAAAAAAAAAAH!
Jenstar, have you heard of ORGANIZED CLICK RINGS?
Of course I have, but that is also soliciting fraudulent clicks on your own publisher account too, which IS clearly against the terms. And people have been suspended for that.
There is a lot of difference between clicking ads as a surfer as I roam the internet and sitting down and clicking someone's ads a few dozen times.
You shall not, and shall not authorize or encourage any third party to: (i) directly or indirectly generate queries, impressions of or clicks on any Search Results, Links and/or Ad(s) through any automated, deceptive, fraudulent or other invalid means, including but not limited to through repeated manual clicks, the use of robots or other automated query tools and/or computer generated search requests, and/or the unauthorized use of other search engine optimization services and/or software;
Note the terms do not specifically refer to your *own* ads. However, it only refers to fraudulent activity. General surfing with clicks on any ads (other than your own, of course!) is well within the terms.
As we all know, many publishers have been dropped wondering why google have canceled their accounts
There was quite a few adsense publishers got the termination email from adsense the second week of March as per comments posted on this forums and nearly all of them was for having text on their sites encouraging visitors to click on the adsense ads, this has been proven time and time again and had nothing at all to do with invalid clicks, even though google send a generic email and use the words "your account has been terminated because of invalid clicks"
What I am trying to say is there are not that many get the boot because of automated software to generate clicks or becase of what your saying due to clicking on other sites adsense because I do believe that google have tracking in place what can detect this type of action otherwise forums would be full of publishers comments saying they have got the termination email for invalid clicks.
It really is only a small handful compared to the amount of publishers in total what have adsense on their sites so I don't think most of us have anything to worry about unless you are doing things on your site what do not conform to the TOS
asianguy I think your theory is wrong...
No doubt that Google are a big fan of neural networks of the form
flagValue = sum(w(i)*d(i)) (for i=# of datapoints)
Where w(i) is the weight and d(i) is a datapoint.
For example,
d(1) might be the number of times you click on other people's ads,
d(2) might be how many times you click on your own ads,
d(3) might be how low your conversion rates are,
d(4) might be how low the ads of the ones your clicking on,
d(5) might be how many times other adsense publishers click on the same ads you're clicking on,
d(6) might be how many adsense publishers that you're clicking on are clicking on your ads,
etc etc.
When you add w(1)*d(1)+w(2)*d(2)..+w(n)*d(n) all together if it is above some number X then they might drop you from adsense.
Or at the very least, they might come check your website out and you better be conforming well or you get dropped.
They have got nothing at all to do with your approach and got proved the publisher had broken the TOS by having text on their site what encouraged visitors to click on the ads, the trouble is its only if a publisher posts on the forum that they have had their account terminated do we have any rough figures to use as examples
Now granted google are looking for patterns with clicks there is no doubt about that but how do you explain these with your equations...?
Click rings have popped up. There are sometimes 100s, probably more, of members and they exchange clicks with each other, and recruit new members...
There is so much happening on the web. Such intricacies. I love it.
Of course Google watches for any kind of click fraud. But I wouldn't think someone would be kicked out of Adsense for clicking on someone else's ads as a normal surfer would. But I don't take the risk. I don't click on ads anyway. Thanks for the warning, asianguy.
have you heard of ORGANIZED CLICK RINGS?
Aaaahh... a case of mistaken identity, I see.
Well, I can see that happening, like if you update your website using computers in the same internet cafe (popular in some Asian countries where broadband is not yet widespread) used by click fraudsters.
the trouble is its only if a publisher posts on the forum that they have had their account terminated do we have any rough figures to use as examples
Well, the equations are sufficient but not necessary. Basically, there are other solutions to this problem.
For example, maybe someone simply did a "google search" and problem adsense websites showed up.
In the end, the only solution is simply to read the TOS very carefully and comply very carefully.
But criminals can't be depended upon to be rational, can they?
I'm sure Google is careful not to terminate honest accounts mistakenly, these after all are their bread and butter...
On the other hand, if Google's goal is full automation, we must err on the side of "robot paranoia."
Andi
