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relocating to the Bahamas

         

renee

7:16 pm on May 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm thinking of relocating to the Bahamas and do my adsense business from there. I'm looking for feedback from webmasters doing adsense from there.

- are you able to do EFT?
- do you receive your checks in US$? if so, how long does it usually take to get there? any bank deposit issues?

- do you host your sites locally (in the babahas) or is hosting in the US OK?
- what are the US Tax issues?

Thanks

Tapolyai

3:06 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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May I suggest an alternative?

You will pay some sort of a tax. No matter what country you go to.

After considering this, why not hire a competent tax shelter accountant at a fraction of the cost to expatriation, or off-shore solutions?

Keep this in mind, as oddsod said, there are taxes and then there are income taxes. did you know that earnings on stock appreciation is often lower then the lowest income tax bracket?

Have you looked at bartering arrangements?

Did you consider something that appreciates, say real-estate, as a corporate asset? $income-$expense=$0 -- $0 tax. you will have to show some earnings, but still an excellent venue. this venue would also allow you to have future income options, even if your AdSense income disappears.

Have you looked at purchasing real-estate outside of the US?

And finaly, Belize.

renee

3:29 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>judging by the flood of replies from webmasters based in the Bahamas... maybe it's not such a good idea to move there just yet ;)

yes. very interesting, isn't it? although there is still the possibility that these webmasters do not want to share their secrets of paradise! or they're not being vocal about it just in case the tax man is watching?

oddsod

3:45 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Or neither. It could be that there aren't really that many webmasters based there for tax purposes.

As Tapolyai suggests there are various alternatives. Holding assets may bring you depreciation benefits (as someone mentioned earlier). Moving assets - like websites - abroad to a country with low taxes and a no double taxation treaty may be worth exploring. Moving ownership of sites is easily done. In any event it would be wise to not take drastic steps purely on the strenth of anticipated Adsense income.

[edited by: oddsod at 3:53 pm (utc) on May 17, 2005]

bose

3:46 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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How is the health care system in Bahamas, or in some of those other alternatives suggested in here?

Here in US it usually takes less than 10 minutes for one to receive emergency (EMS) care or be quickly transported/flown to an ER following an acute health crisis such as being involved in an accident, a heart attack, or a stroke. How such a crisis gets responded to within the glolden hour that follows can make a whole lot of difference in the overall prognosis.

If you have a family, or if you are planning on starting one in near future, you may want to consider these factors as well.

rfung

4:15 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Uhm, interesting thread, and I'm at a level where at the end of the year taxes will be quite a big chunk that it's worth starting to look at these options.

Obviously I'll eventually consult with an accountant or something, but anyone know if the US will tax you (or has the ability to) if you say, have dual citizenship and you move ownership of your sites to another country and start receiving your checks there?

The country I'm speaking of is Portugal, if anyone has any more detailed info regarding that.

ogletree

4:46 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This is not for people making $100K or even $500K you really need to be making around a million to even cosider this kind of thing. There are lots of things you can do in the US to avoid taxes. Our government knows people want to do this and are activly trying to stop it. Even if you can get away with it now they are working hard to stop you and make new rules.

renee

4:47 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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where is cabbie? he is one of the success stories in this board. he posted about a couple of months back that he was posting from his house overlooking his tropical tax free island!

I can't seem to find the post anymore.

walkman

6:04 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)



"where is cabbie?"

[abcnews.go.com...]
he is crazy :)

renee

6:08 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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ROFL!

No not that cabbie.

walkman

6:12 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)



"ROFL!
No not that cabbie."
told you tax evasion doesn't pay :).
now this is some coincidence...

renee

6:14 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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here's the post by the famous cabbie:

[webmasterworld.com...]

"I have never learnt anything but dreamweaver and then only basic stuff.Never bothered with seo either as google automatically liked my simple H1 text.
All my attention when i started, was spent on acquiring expired domains.
Luckily for me I bought a few hundred pr5 and pr6 domains when you could snap them yourself at $9 a pop.
Now all i do is sit in my house overlooking a beautiful tropical island in my new tax free country and get smarter people than me to run my sites.
"

mrfragger

6:57 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Another thought instead of doing the Great Escape is if your making so much money with Google invest it in real estate. My brother-in-law only makes $12,000/month so that's not a lot to him so he says. However, the past twelve months he's made more than 1.5 million buying and selling homes. Another thing is past few years he's never had to pay taxes with all the deductions. This year he did have to pay $50,000 in taxes though for last year. Still that's pennies compared to the profit.

limitup

9:12 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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2 problems with investing in real estate. If you take all your profits and buy real estate you'll still have to pay taxes on those profits - because buying real estate is not tax deductible. Secondly, and more importantly, making 1+ million a year in real estate is generally more difficult than making 1+ million a year online LOL.

walkman

9:35 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)



"Secondly, and more importantly, making 1+ million a year in real estate is generally more difficult than making 1+ million a year online LOL."

actually it just takes b--ls. Many have done it by taking a gamble on houses even before they were built and sold them months later for a huge profit.

gamb

10:01 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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go to florida right now and witness it - most houses are sold at least twice before anyone even moves in.....

renee

11:15 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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but i don't want to make millions in real estate. i just want to protect my hard earned money from adsense/am from the tax man!

mrfragger

12:10 am on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My whole point was if you make tons of money you need to find ways to reinvest to get a tax shelter. Just buy a million dollar house and get an interest only 3/yr/ARM. Those mortage payments are fully tax deductible. Sit on it for a few years and cash in. You should live in it for a couple of years to avoid capital gains if at all possible. His house is over a million now and still owns about 6 or 7 other houses hasn't even cashed in on, not too shabby for not even being 30 yrs old yet.

bnhall

12:14 am on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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mrfragger - you need to read the front page story in today's Wall Street Journal [wsj.com] about interest only ARMs

limitup

1:05 am on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Counting on appreciation over a short 3 year period in order to make money is nothing but gambling. Not to mention you'll need steel balls to do it in a hot market such as California, South Florida, etc. Any number of things could happen over the next few years which could cause real estate prices in these markets to drop 20% or more.

OptiRex

1:38 am on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)



I thought the original post was about relocating to the Bahamas, not Gordon Gecko and how he could maximise every deal by whatever means!

Sure, most of would like to have the maximum possible however how many of us are prepared to do absolutely "anything" with no social life and try and negate all responsibility?

Lifestyle balance comes into mind here guys/gals.

If money/profit is your sole goal and nothing else you live a very, very sad existence.

Do you really want to die the wealthiest person of whichever village/town/city/state/country who had never been to the local restaurant/bar and discussed the most mundane and ridiculous things in the world?

Hey, I just love doing that:-))

walkman

2:12 am on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)



"Do you really want to die the wealthiest person of whichever village/town/city/state/country who had never been to the local restaurant/bar and discussed the most mundane and ridiculous things in the world? "

No. The changes of going to that restaurant or private island (with some hot girl/s too) are much, much higher if you're loaded.

arubicus

2:42 am on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hate going back to the real estate but:

"Just buy a million dollar house and get an interest only 3/yr/ARM. Those mortage payments are fully tax deductible. Sit on it for a few years and cash in. You should live in it for a couple of years to avoid capital gains if at all possible"

Unless you purchase a property of equal or greater value within 24 months the tax on the entire gain from the sale of a PERSONAL residence MAY be deferred. In other words if you cash out expect to pay capital gains. Rentals do not fall into this category. So in order to get your money out of a home you live in you must either sell and pay taxes or borrow and pay interest.

Why does everyone work so hard to avoid taxes. If you live within your means and be smart, taxes shouldn't be a problem.

arubicus

3:16 am on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Gotta fix something.

"Unless you purchase"

Should be:

"Only if you purchase"

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