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Who is seeing a HIGHER EPC these days?

Instead of a lower EPC?

         

Jenstar

2:31 am on May 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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No complaints about low EPC in this thread please :)

Just check in if you are one of the ones with a higher EPC while others are complaining of a lower one ;) I know those who are seeing a higher EPC can get lost amidst all the "ACK, MY EPC HAS DROPPED" posts that have dominated recent threads, so I thought I'd start one going the opposite.

I am checking in to report that as of late last week (about the time when some started seeing a lower EPC) I am seeing a higher than usual EPC.

darkmage

10:14 am on May 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Jenstar wrote: 'EPC is a better statistical comparison than eCPM, because of the two options a publisher has when calculating eCPM.'

Actually that's not true. EPC can be lower, but the lower paying ads may be clicked more. On one site, I see this quite clearly and it is one of reasons that total earnings for that site have rocketed away. EPC is down a bit, CTR is up, overall net earnings are way up for a while now.

There was a very bad patch in early-mid Feb.

I've just relaised too that I am posting in the wrong thread! I should be in the EPC down threads ;). Goes to show how it is not such a useful measure.

conjo_guam

10:24 am on May 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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my CPC has increased fourfold from 3 cents to avergae 12 cents per click. I have started noticing it from past 2 days.
Yesterday was best day for me. I had top earnings from adsense and kanoodle.
Hope this continues .........

bts111

1:00 pm on May 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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No baked beans for me this month ;)

europeforvisitors

2:11 pm on May 13, 2005 (gmt 0)



Jenstar wrote:
'EPC is a better statistical comparison than eCPM, because of the two options a publisher has when calculating eCPM.'

Actually that's not true.

Depends what you're trying to learn.

EPC tells you what your average click is worth. This is useful primarily for threads on the topic of "My EPC is down, so Google must be reducing payout to publishers."

eCPM, or effective cost per 1,000 page views, is the AdSense equivalent of CPM, a standard metric of the advertising and publishing industries. It tells how much you're actually earning from your traffic, and it's especially useful for comparing revenues from different sources (e.g., AdSense ads, banner ads, and various affiliate programs). If you know, for example, that your eCPM from AdSense is $5, your eCPM from FastClick is $2, and your eCPM from the Whatsit.com affiliate program is $10, you may decide that you should dump FastClick and replace its banners with affiliate banners or AdSense ads. And if your average monthly CPM is fairly stable, you can use it to project income for various levels of traffic.

synth78

2:17 pm on May 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yes, I have,

The past week everyting has been up at least 50%,

Rankings changed this time also, and I believe we recieved better seo listing, maybee due to a recent sweep,

I am seeing double my usual amount on most days,
Definately inspiring,

Bought so much god stuff today, with my new as money, feels great, bought a dvd burner, xbox 120gb hardrive, and a dedicated server,

s

jhood

2:42 pm on May 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Compared to what? I went back to May 1-13 2004 and compared EPC to this year's MTD. My impressions way back then were about 40k/day and this month are running 137k/day, so traffic is up more than 300%. All things considered, so is total revenue, including CPM ads and other site income.

AdSense EPC is about half what it was in May 2005 compared to May 2004. However, given the higher traffic AND three ad units per page (a skyscraper, a large rectangle at the bottom of most pages and Ad Links) this year compared to only one last year, AdSense eCPM is doing nicely, thanks.

Earlier this year, I went through the steep decline that others have been writing about this week. It took a while but whatever was broken got fixed and AdSense is again my primary source of advertising revenue.

Advertising is never a zero sum game and the Web is a unique creature because the number of potential publishers is virtually infinite. There can only be so many daily newspapers, monthly magazines, etc., because the cost of entry is so high. There can only be so many broadcasters, cable systems, etc. because of regulatory considerations. But anybody can be a Web publisher. That's probably a good thing in principle but it's not a formula for wringing maximum revenue out of advertisers and it creates a situation that is far more volatile than other media, at least IMHO.

trillianjedi

2:50 pm on May 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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But anybody can be a Web publisher.

I'm not sure that's correct anymore, in the context of advertising.

I think a lot of the AdWords advertisers have been going through their campaigns and removing specific publishers URL's.

TJ

wrgvt

3:00 pm on May 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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In January, my EPC peaked. I also added a new site to my AdSense account in January, one that earns a much lower EPC than my best performing AdSense site. That's not a surprise. My best AdSense site markets items costing hundreds of dollars, and the new site markets items selling for less than $20. Traffic for that site started jumping in March, so this is my EPC since then.

January - peak EPC, added new site
February - EPC down slightly
March - 24% drop in EPC as traffic to new site runs strong
April - EPC up
May - EPC up (almost to February levels)

dauction

3:01 pm on May 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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OK Jen since I have been one of the complainers..

EPC is Up the past 45 Days .. double from it's lows the previous few months.

But while they have doubled from my lows they are still almost half from a AVERAGE EPC that I held for 8-9 months or so.

I'm comfortable where they are at now..but still miss the "good old days"

jhood

6:14 pm on May 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"...anybody can be a Web publisher."

TJ responded:
"I'm not sure that's correct anymore, in the context of advertising.

"I think a lot of the AdWords advertisers have been going through their campaigns and removing specific publishers URL's."

I was not referring strictly to the AdWords program but rather to the huge quantity of material available on the Web. It all competes for eyeballs, whether or not a specific site is part of an advertising program. Eyeballs trained on pages without ads at any given moment aren't looking at pages with ads and are therefore not available to produce revenue for publishers at that particular moment. This might sound picky but it makes a difference.

/jh
(I must learn how to make those little quote boxes.)

Bddmed

6:29 pm on May 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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sailorjwd

6:38 pm on May 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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EPC has gotten back to about 90% of norms compared to being down 50% during the last several days.

HeyJim

1:05 am on May 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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ECPM has been steadily increasing over the last four months, along with traffic, and is three times higher than four months ago.
Only for context now: I may buy a used car with my next check. So, I'm not talking pennies. (but note that it will be a ***used*** car. I'm not even close to being one of the high flyers around here.)

Penguin328

12:06 pm on May 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I've definitely seen a jump on my web site. From what started at about $0.05 a click is a now usually around $0.50 a click! No complaints here!

Swebbie

10:46 pm on May 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Am seeing a definite spike in EPC in the last few days on a few of my sites. Might just be the normal monthly ebb and flow, but hey, I'll take it after the lousy first part of May!

spaceylacie

11:04 pm on May 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If this month keeps up, it'll be my highest EPC ever(about 6 months). But, not up by much.

asianguy

12:00 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)



What happen to the CPM that google launched early this month? No advertisers use them? I am just wondering because my EPC is all time high this month! I thought it would go down.

camper

12:32 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Comparing the past seven days to all of last month, my EPC is up 10.4 percent. There was a big dip after the reporting delay of May 5 but it lasted only a day or so.

annej

4:19 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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What are we comparing with? I just checked a year ago and CPM is better now but so is CTR and even page impressions are up a bit. Compared to last month CPM and CTR up slightly with impressions about the same. Too many other factors to know abut EPC. Is there some way to tell from the info we get in our stats?

My best month ever was July 04 with high CTR and even higher CPM and July is a usually a low page impression month for me. I never have as many visitors in the summer.

I guess the bottom line is that I'm doing better overall except for July 04. I do think that better ads have helped a lot. I am getting a good variety of ads that are of interest to my visitors. I'm not in a high paying ad topic tho, just hobby stuff.

europeforvisitors

6:45 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)



What happen to the CPM that google launched early this month? No advertisers use them? I am just wondering because my EPC is all time high this month! I thought it would go down.

It's still in beta.

conjo_guam

2:24 am on May 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I got first time 52 cent click.
Vertical add units especially 300 X 250 is having higher payouts.

spaceylacie

3:50 am on May 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hey, who told Google I was being over paid? My EPC went back down today, lower than ever. I'm not complaining though, it was my own fault.

I will fix it tomorrow to get my EPC back. By Tuesday, I expect the see the higher EPC again.

I sort of ashamed to say what I did, but it wasn't against TOS. My CTR ratio shot up, fast. Then Google's algo probably figured out what I was doing. ;-(

I might have blended the ads with my content a little too much. I'm positive that Google's stats showed that, all of the sudden, more and more visitors from me were only staying for 0 seconds. You know, the ones that click, then click right back. Of course my EPC would drop, who did I think I'd fool? Google?

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