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chapran

7:34 pm on May 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I opened an account with Google about 10 days ago. I'm lazy to read long Agreements. And when I did it I told about it to some of my friends. I made about 10 clicks myself (I have several web sites and wanted just to test AdSense links). Within 2 days some of my friends played with my AdSense and brought about $120 to my account. After those 2 days I realized that this is prohibited. I asked my friends to stop clicking.
What do I need to do in order to avoid any penalization from Google?

Regards,
Vlad

larryhatch

6:31 am on May 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"Details of each PC"
I presume that means anything and everything that G can learn about who clicked:
Windows/Mac or whatever version and Rev. #
The DNS of each person's ISP
Look at any access_log file. Lots of stuff in there. -Larry

incrediBILL

6:38 am on May 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Well chapran, I could soapbox alongside the rest of them but confessing your sins to Google is your best bet.

BTW, being too "...lazy to read long Agreements" will bite you hard some day and it could cost you dearly. If you learn anything from this, it should be to read those long agreements written by sneaky lawyers or just don't agree to them at all and move on. This applies to anything from signing up for AdSense to buying a car or a house, failure to read can make you poor.

moneyraker

6:54 am on May 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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And one more piece of unsolicited advice - don't tell your enemies that you're earning from Adsense and they shouldn't click on your ads because you might get kicked out from the program if they do that. Having your friends know about it is enough for now.

ncw164x

7:00 am on May 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Well well well for the newbies who don't know much about how things work I shall explain in more detail

when you browse any web site or logon anywhere you leave behind a footprint of your details

1 your PC operating system
2 what browser you are using
3 screen resolution
4 ISP details
and don't forget google use a 38 year cookie

So unless you throw your PC through the window and buy a new one and change your ISP and move to another country or planet google have a record of you and your PC of which they can build up a footprint.

Hopefully that explains it in a bit more detail, why do you think there are so many threads about "Only login into your account using the one PC"

I also suggest you "NEWBIES" do your homework before you start jumping up and down shouting "What the heck are you talking about"

jetteroheller

9:52 am on May 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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1 your PC operating system
2 what browser you are using
3 screen resolution
4 ISP details
and don't forget google use a 38 year cookie

Not to forget the Google toolbar.

If an average site of a certain language and theme has 10% visitors with Google toolbar, and somebody has 1000 clicks, but strange, only 1 with Google toolbar, this could cause an alert.

cornwall

10:13 am on May 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Then there is

Autolink information
Google Web Accelerator information
Gmail information

They know more about you than your bank manager...to some of us they are our bank manager.

createErrorMsg

11:02 am on May 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Perhaps he just read Tabke's many posts encouraging people to click their own ads?

Realizing, of course, that this is probably just a troll banging his fists for attention...

Would you care to provide links to these "many posts"? I've been here for a while and have never read any such thing, from any member, including Tabke.

I hate to bait the troll, but....well?

cEM

xxxxxpp

2:56 pm on May 12, 2005 (gmt 0)



I think he was being sarcastic when he made that post.

Rodney

6:53 pm on May 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Would you care to provide links to these "many posts"? I've been here for a while and have never read any such thing, from any member, including Tabke.

I remember one thread where Brett told people they should click their own ads.

At the time I didn't know if he was serious or joking, as he didn't put any kind of emoticon afterwards.

I don't think it was "many posts", but I distinctly remember it as being odd when it happened. It was probably over a year ago.

woodrow222

8:11 pm on May 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Maybe "many" was the wrong term, but i've seen at least 3 <shrugs>

I remember it really upset me at the time.

europeforvisitors

9:05 pm on May 12, 2005 (gmt 0)



I remember one thread where Brett told people they should click their own ads.

At the time I didn't know if he was serious or joking, as he didn't put any kind of emoticon afterwards.

I don't think it was "many posts", but I distinctly remember it as being odd when it happened. It was probably over a year ago.

I can vouch for that. He said it on several different occasions. I remember thinking that it was a strange thing to say to newbies, since "Brett Tabke told me to do it" probably doesn't carry much weight as a defense against having an account terminated due to invalid clicks. :-)

spaceylacie

9:22 pm on May 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I hope this guy doesn't find out you all are talking about him, he might go click yours too!

Chopster

3:05 pm on May 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Geez, the guy comes in here for some advice and help on how to remedy his past mistakes, then all these people start telling him what scum he is and that he should be banned, kicked out, etc.

Like nobody that has posted in this forum has ever done anything stupid before.

diamondgrl

11:02 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Well, bad Vlad, you are in trouble.

It doesn't really help you that your Adsense is on a forum site that has exactly 1 active member. Seems like you are going to have near-record click-through rate ...

Anyway, odds are you're toast. I certainly wouldn't ever waste time and reputation doing business with you. Don't know why Google would waste their time and reputation either.

rfung

1:00 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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and yet let's all sit here and see if he gets the boot.

Anyone care to place some bets if the big G algo/fraud patrol is on top of things?

gamb

1:34 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I don't know why everyone thinks he is going to get caught.

go click one of your own adwords ads 8 times over the course of a day and let me know if you get charged 8 times. Only difference there is that google gets ALL of the money.

createErrorMsg

2:04 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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go click one of your own adwords ads 8 times over the course of a day and let me know if you get charged 8 times.

How about if you run that little experiment and let us know how it goes? That way the one who gets the dreaded "fradulent clicks" email is the one who came up with the genius idea to begin with.

cEM

spaceylacie

2:10 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Sticky me with your bets, LOL, just kidding.

I say... no boot, I bet he'll slide by...

gregbo

7:45 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I opened an account with Google about 10 days ago. I'm lazy to read long Agreements.

It's always a good idea to read agreements. There was a recently reported case in /. where someone found some kind of prize in an EULA.

gamb

8:10 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"How about if you run that little experiment and let us know how it goes"

I've done it many times - and in general if you click on your own adwords (note - not adsense) ad multiple times in a day, you will always get charged for all the clicks.
Click 3 times in 5 minutes? You'll get charged 3 times.

3 times in 30 seconds? They may catch it.

BillyS

8:22 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I would boot him from my program... How could you ever trust someone that set up a ring that clicked 240 ads?

If you're smart enough to realize what Adsense is all about (after all, you joined it), then you had to realize what you were doing.

If I were advertiser (which I am), I would demand that you were kicked out. Your cut is $120, but Google may be billing $250. They can't afford to put their program at risk with bad apples.

Expensive mistake.

Frequent

8:39 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I would recomend sending a very nice email to G$ and let them know that you were new to the program and didn't realize that clicking your own ads to test them was a violation. Ask that they please be sure that all prior clicks regardless of IP are voided because you and your friends had no intention of wasting any advertisers money. Also let them know that you have taken down the adsense code and will not put it back up until you get the all clear from them.

Freq---

hunderdown

9:01 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)



frequent, that's a nice idea but it just may not be worth Google's while to go to that trouble for a small site--possibly a very small site. They keep their staff to a minimum and I wouldn't be surprised if they will only make manual adjustments when it's worth it to them.

Frequent

9:04 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I agree, but if they do choose to look into it I'd certainly want an email sitting there waiting for them.

Freq---

Fryman

11:36 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I agree, BillyS. It's pathetic how people feel like if they were Robin Hood defending the weak and cry nonsense like "oh, this poor crook just came here asking for help, why do you say bad things to him? Boo hoo..."

Ignorance of law is no excuse. I sure hope he is kicked out of the program.

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