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Certain of it from the hacks already and the spam that we get. That's our environment. What I'm wondering is: will adsense shut us down after 2-3 weeks?
And, more importantly: are you in the same type of environment, with people consistently trying to game your system, break your database, etc, and still using adsense successfully.
But, seriously - there are so many threads here about people doing so well. Please let us know the nature of the environment you are in? Is it basically a bunch of straight-shooters. People who, in addition to not trying to crack your database, would also not copy things off your site, etc.
Are there any of you in what you would consider very rough market: global baddies willing to copy you, spam all your users, etc.... who are using adsense successfully?
We get high traffic, but it would be a pretty stiff let-down to have to remove adsense after putting it up all over the site.
So, we are really looking for stories from people who would consider their environment tougher than most who are using adsense with success.
Thanks,
thvi
under-employed week-night evil types who have tried to gain a share of the market we are in
Are you writing horror stories:-)
stories from people who would consider their environment tougher than most who are using adsense with success
I thought all markets were tough except we use our expertise and wits to defeat the "baddies".
Exactly to what are you referring?
Can you give an example?
But my assumption was that spammers put adsense ads on all their pages and then try to get ranking on a bunch of keyphrases- if they make any distinction at all, it's to do the phrases that have higher payouts... but those quickly get glutted, so it's a losing game.
I've done thousands of pages of real content on all different topics, and almost all pages have adsense-
some categories convert less, or pay less, b/c not all customers are looking to buy something or for more info- sometimes the info they wanted is exactly what you gave them and they're done. Likewise, specific keyphrases bring up different ads... which have a lesser degree but still some degree of variation in cost and clicks.
AdSense, in my experience, is like any other revenue source - you have to try it out and check out the stats after you've been using it a while. So maybe try it on a certain % of your pages- a representative sample of all the types you have- and then based on your results, make an assessment to remove or add more.
Take for example the comapny (read three recent college grads with some computer experience) that we are suing for various infringements. Or, the users of cerain interactive features we have that have been repeatedly banned for obscene posts. Or, the other "company" that tried to buy advertising in order to get a hold of a list of previous clients (husband and wife, both employed full-time, working in the evenings to build their second income).
What is to prevent these malefactors from getting themselves and their cousins to finally get back at us via fake clicks. We just got a $3,000 out of court settlement from another bumpkin - mother and computer genius son.
What I'd like to try to find out is are any of you in a similar situation: where you have completely unscrupulous competitiors of whom you are aware active in your market, but nonetheless, you have still successfully and do successfully use AdSense. That AdSense can handle this.
Thanks,
thvi
I dont think you are getting an answer to your replies yet :)
I am not in a tough market as you are. But you obviously have 'evil' competitors, and they are likely to damage you in whatever way they can - taking that as the starting point, yes, I think you will face problems.
In fact, there are several threads that I have seen here that talk abut click fraud horror.
If they do it, then its highly like too, that Google will cancel your account.
However, the light at the end of the tunnel is - it is unlikely that you are the only one in a particular kind of market - there must be versions of it existing in may different industries, regions.. and Google probably already knows about the potential for trouble in your segment.
There is no harm in applying for adsense, waiting for a reply, and if you are approved (which may mean that Google knows a bit about your kinda site already), and then mailing them the moment you notice anything fishy in your account and clickthroughs and informing them and be the good honest boy. So far I have not seen a story where someone reported the unusual click patterns on their own site to Google and Google still banned them. (They just reply - usually - that you will get paid only for the valid clicks. I have not read anything g from anyone who got such a mail that they were banned even afterwards)
Thanks for your reply, and the spirit it was made in. Hope to hear more from others.
Thanks again,
thvi
Is there a chance that these troublemakers you speak of simply are unaware that anyone with Adsense ads might be messed up if they keep clicking on the ads? I don't know the backgrounds of these people--perhaps they are very aware of how web advertising works. But apparently a lot of people are completely clueless and will remain so.
I'm not in your type of market, but what prevents you from trying? Even if you're kicked out after a couple of months, you may have 1 or 2 months of decent earnings. Worst case scenario is that you've waisted some time and ad space during 2 months at most. (The time period between your last payment and getting kicked out). Just don't put too much effort in it in the beginning (at least until you've received your first payment) and start with placing the ads on an unused spot on the page. Just my idea of course.
I have dealt with some absolute scum on the internet. There are many that get around, unsuccessfully, doing everything wrong.
On one occasion, I had a massive problem with what I call a worm.
For four days, I had the biggest click fraud operation on one of my sites. I won't go into numbers but bells would have been ringing.
I let Google know straight away and removed Adsense from the site. They were almost human about the situation and did not cancel my account. The ads are back on the site but the worm has gone for the time being.
If you feel that your site has the potential of a slot machine that never stops paying, I suggest that you watch your acccount like a hawk ;)
I have dealt with some absolute scum on the internet. There are many that get around, unsuccessfully, doing everything wrong.
On one occasion, I had a massive problem with what I call a worm.
For four days, I had the biggest click fraud operation on one of my sites. I won't go into numbers but bells would have been ringing.
I let Google know straight away and removed Adsense from the site. They were almost human about the situation and did not cancel my account. The ads are back on the site but the worm has gone for the time being.
If you feel that your site has the potential of a slot machine that never stops paying I suggest that you watch your acccount like a hawk ;)
It will be worth trouble though :)
Thanks for your message. If there are others of you out there, tageted by the darker forces of the net just for being sucessful - how have you fared? Is it possible to survive?
bts111 - did you get paid for your other clicks or did you lose all your money for that period of time? How long did keep AdSense off your site? Was that length of time by their decision or yours? What made the fraud perpetrators go away?
Thanks,
thvi
The whole situation freaked me out a little bit as I didn't own as many domains back then. I suppose that it was a big lesson learnt in human nature and dealing with really nasty, dumb people.
There is lots more to the story which I can't write about but I can tell you that I didn't run the ads for about four months. I won't comment on whether I received payment or not as it's not relevant.
Thanks for your message. Appreciate your thoughts.
If your site is in a similar difficult environment and you have been through these kind of situations and survived, your insight is greatly valued.
Thanks,
thvi
