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I was kicked out because of click fraud

I did not click my own ads

         

ifly

5:47 pm on Apr 15, 2005 (gmt 0)



I did not ask visitors to click the ads.
I am in China.My average CTR was above 4%.I just checked my adsense statistics a few hours before I received the Email from google which informed me of click fraud,and the stats was NORMAL at that time.

Was the CTR too high,even they were valid clicks?

My check for Feb is above 2k,will it be cleared?

My earning of March is about 1k,will I receive the check?

Last and most important,will it have some good to email google?Is there any chance for me to reinstate my account?

Thanks,and sorry for my poor English ^_^

driris

6:12 pm on Apr 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I just checked my adsense statistics a few hours before I received the Email from google which informed me of click fraud,and the stats was NORMAL at that time

i dont think that google decide on stats of one day only.

just wondering
if ur site is in english?. if yes
then how do you write your site content? 2k is big amount and you must have hundreds of pages .

jetteroheller

6:26 pm on Apr 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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4% CTR say abslout nothing

It depends on themes, structure of users and other factors.

With absolut same layout, my sites CTR is 1:10 between best and worst CTR.

Quess why TOS does not allow to talk about CTR.
So people thinking about click fround will shure choose a complete wrong CTR for their attempt.

burntan

1:45 am on Apr 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I seen real statistic with 0.1% to over 70% CTR not involving in click fraud.

So, click fraud detection definately not based on simple CTR.

dollarshort

2:20 am on Apr 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Sorry to say I am a bit suspicious, I lived in China for a year, 2k is alot of money for people living in China and the temptation of click fraud would be high, not because people are dishonest but due to necessity. How about your friends did they click your ads?

ownerrim

3:39 am on Apr 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Honestly, one of the first things that enters my mind is whether or not the alleged victim is in china or india.

hunderdown

4:26 am on Apr 16, 2005 (gmt 0)



ifly, if you were kicked out for "invalid clicks," you should know that means more than clicking on your own ads. "Invalid clicks" are what AdSense calls any clicks that violate their rules. They could be clicks by friends, or competitors. They could be clicks that happened because you had a page that only had AdSense on it, or otherwise broke the rules.

Click Through Rate has nothing to do with it.

ifly

3:30 pm on Apr 16, 2005 (gmt 0)



hunderdown,maybe you are right,though I have tried to avoid all you listed above.
I am just a little dejected now.The site is full of content,with considerable traffic,but I can not put Adsense on it any longer for the reason I Will Never Know.
Can I clear the check that I have received?
Will I receive the check for March?

ifly

3:40 pm on Apr 16, 2005 (gmt 0)



ownerrim,I think IP resource is a big problem.
In China,there are not enough IPs,that means,many people from different homes or offices have the SAME IP.Maybe it will affect google's judgement of click fraud.

jetteroheller

4:06 pm on Apr 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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In China,there are not enough IPs,that means,many people from different homes or offices have the SAME IP.Maybe it will affect google's judgement of click fraud.

There are many other methods to see different computers.

Cookie
Operating system
screen size
browser
Installed browser plug ins

So maybe a victim of to helpfull friends?

jetteroheller

4:16 pm on Apr 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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To evaluate, some data would be necessary:

If available, please all per month

Language of the site
Visitors
Visitors by different Cookies issued
Visitors counted by different IP addresses
Visitors coming from search engines
Other major source of visitors
Email newsletter sent to members
Page views per visitor
Had the ads been in the same language like the content

mike schmitz

6:02 pm on Apr 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Just to be clear, the person posting this topic does not run a website by the same name. I say that because I don't want to be connected to him.

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iselong

1:49 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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As a technology-focused company, it should be not very difficult for google to judge which click is fraud or invalid. Why not google just minus the invalid clicks?

Google choose to ban your website, and the valid clicks which made google get their money all were passed from webmaster's pockets to the google's pocket, except call google a THIEF, which word can we choose to entitle google?

jomaxx

2:23 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yeah, and that music store that caught me with CDs stuffed down my pants last week, how DARE they call me a thief? Why not simply bill me for the value of the CDs?

iselong

3:46 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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jomaxx, your are very humor, but that's the different things.

The so called Fraud Click is not clearly defind٬and they never told you which rule are you act against.

i still remember when i was in CD store, there is a yellow line, when you take the CD mistakenly with you ,you were not considered a CD stealer before you across the yellow line.

but where is the yellow line of google? who judge you whether or not across the yellow line?

it's just google who told you that: there is a yellow line, unfortunatly it's invisible ,you can not across it. and it's also google who decide whether or not you have across it, even you have never reached the yellow line.

to be called a fraud clicker, at least we should know why? DOSE google told us why? NO, they NEVER!

Now, it's the Chinese webmaster were banned, tomorrow will be the Europeans, the day after tomorrow will be Indians, then in the near futures, the title of fraud clicker will fallen on the right head of yours.

Taken "Never be evil" as google's slogan, google does do evil things, that's my conclusion.

wanderingmind

4:28 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I am in India, and while I have been on the Net for ten years, I have not come across any click-fraud companies/ people etc. Doesn't mean that they are not there.

However, assuming someone is not lying when they say they did not click their own ads, this is scary.

bobothecat

4:46 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)



at least we should know why?

It would make sense to me that Google probably doesn't go into detail about what triggered the 'click problem'. If they did, it would eventually make it easy to bypass whatever algos they're using to detect such things... we'd all know what they're looking for, and how they detect it.

chiboy

4:41 pm on Apr 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My advice ifly is don't cry over spilled milk. Register another account in adsense, use your mother's name or brother or anyone in your family to open another account. Also use another website when registering another account. If you don't have another website, create a dummy. You're hosting plan should provide you with an addon domain.

In three days time, google would activate your new account then you could again paste its code in your real website where you earn 1-2k. In a month time, you'll receive your check and be back in track.

cheers!

chiboy

4:43 pm on Apr 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Also, I know it would work because same thing happen to me and I just did what I wrote above and now I'm a happy adsenser :)

photo200

4:58 pm on Apr 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Scary story guys.

It is indeed my worst nightmare.
I'm always expectig to receive such e-mail
from G. And for me it would be no food for my family.
It is sh!ty that anyone here can get such e-mail
because I suppose we all violating TOS in some manner.

I'm not talking about click fraud,
but for instance:

"it is against TOS to build sites for Adsense"

How many of us violate this one for instance?

70-90 % if not whole 100%

Of course new Adsense account on name of your wife's brother could help a little.

But in present case this guy will lose

2K for shure +
march
+april

Yeap,
it is a lot and
for third world countries (like mine for instance)
this is a boundary between good life and
poverty.

europeforvisitors

5:04 pm on Apr 30, 2005 (gmt 0)



"it is against TOS to build sites for Adsense"

How many of us violate this one for instance?

70-90 % if not whole 100%

I can assure you that it isn't 100%.

photo200

5:23 pm on Apr 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm glad you joined discussion EFV.

I really suppose you are clean guy in all aspects
and we are just small fish around.

Just imagine -
I'll go to your site
next 10 days exactly the same time and click all your ads an all pages.
You'll be kicked off Adsense immediately.

The point is -
It should not be like that.

But how to prevent click fraud?
This is the question.

larryhatch

5:32 pm on Apr 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Is it possible that your dog clicked on your ads?
Young dogs as famous for chewing up keyboards.

Maybe your puppy chewed on your ad.

PatrickDeese

6:49 pm on Apr 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Just imagine -
I'll go to your site
next 10 days exactly the same time and click all your ads an all pages.
You'll be kicked off Adsense immediately.

Doubtful.

Not too long ago, one of my channels reported something like 305 clicks from 10 impressions - however, only $.82 in earnings.

I reported the discrepancy to Google, made a copy of my raw logs, and am still in the program.

Their system reported the clicks, but obviously didn't credit me for them - and it was all done automagically.

The thing is, all respect to the initial poster - most people are kicked out for violating Google's Adsense T&C - and as has been said ad nauseam in this forum - "invalid clicks" describes any activity which leads to the generation of invalid clicks - whether they are self-clicks, incentivized clicks, false targeting of high value keywords through the use of hidden keywords, etc.

europeforvisitors

7:11 pm on Apr 30, 2005 (gmt 0)



Not too long ago, one of my channels reported something like 305 clicks from 80 impressions - however, only $.82 in earnings.

I reported the discrepancy to Google, made a copy of my raw logs, and am still in the program.

I've had similar experiences twice. On one occasion, a clickbot or random clicker ran up about $1,300 in excessive clicks (based on my daily average) in a matter of hours. In each instance, I reported the anomaly to Google, they said "thanks," and that was it.

I suspect that most people who get tossed from AdSense for "invalid clicks" fall into one or more of several categories:

1) People who have tried to defraud Google or advertisers;

2) People whose sites are clearly "made for AdSense" or look shady in some other respect and therefore don't receive the benefit of the doubt;

3) People whose audiences, topics, or type of content are prone to repeated incidents (say, a forum on a controversial topic, a site that caters to kids who click out of curiosity, or a site that has an ongoing war with a competitor).

Another factor may be the amount of revenue that the site generates. If a site is bringing in only $10 a day and has more than one episode of "invalid clicks" (whether or not those clicks are known to be fraudulent), Google may feel that the account isn't profitable enough to keep.

By the way, my earlier post wasn't about click fraud; it was in response to the suggestion that 70-90% or even 100% of AdSense publishers have "made for AdSense" sites. That suggestion was clearly off-base, if only because so many sites with AdSense ads existed long before Google launched AdSense.

arras

7:53 pm on Apr 30, 2005 (gmt 0)



EFV"By the way, my earlier post wasn't about click fraud; it was in response to the suggestion that 70-90% or even 100% of AdSense publishers have "made for AdSense" sites. That suggestion was clearly off-base, if only because so many sites with AdSense ads existed long before Google launched AdSense.
"
your post was again another egoism pointing that you are the only blessed one who has a site with content.Out there on the web are thousands of sites and publishers that have made great content sites but they keep their klappen zu.....(guess you understand Deutsch)

europeforvisitors

7:57 pm on Apr 30, 2005 (gmt 0)



Arras, please don't misrepresent other member's postings. It's rude, childish, and unprofessional.

arras

8:00 pm on Apr 30, 2005 (gmt 0)



"It's rude, childish, and unprofessional. "
i rather watch now a good film on the TV.Good night.

buckworks

8:44 pm on Apr 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Out there on the web are thousands of sites and publishers that have made great content sites

Um, wasn't that exactly EFV's point?

It makes zero sense to call EFV down for something that you immediately turn around and agree with!

hunderdown

3:45 am on May 1, 2005 (gmt 0)



arras is acting defensive because he has a site or sites that IS made for AdSense.

I wonder what percentage of sites in the AdSense program do predate it? There must be thousands, but there also must be many that were created since AdSense launched.

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