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5:03 pm on Mar 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have a U.S. corporation with an EIN number registered with Google AdSense. The most recently reported payment (not yet received) was reduced by an approximate 25% "Tax Withheld". Has anyone else experienced this? There was no indication or justification whether Google Adsense wittheld State, Federal or Local taxes. Is this now going to happen every month or was this a one-time withholding?

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5:14 pm on Mar 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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What state is your biz registered in? One person said California, same as Google (I imagine), is it related there maybe?

My company is registered Texas and no taxes witheld.

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State of residence would only be relevant for state taxes.

I'm guessing that Google is doing this if their system shows documentation not submitted/not submitted properly. The person with two accounts probably needed to go through the documentation process twice, for both accounts.

Even if you report Google income on Schedule C, you still have to establish that you are not "subject to backup withholding" and I think this must be the problem here.

But I am not a tax lawyer. I'm just speculating. I bet we get an explanation soon.

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Adsense members are employees not contractors

That has nothing to do with IRS requirements regarding payments.

Affiliate programs can withhold taxes as well.

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There isn't really anything in the terms that says they will be withholding taxes. The only thing it does say is:

You agree to pay all applicable taxes or charges imposed by any government entity in connection with Your participation in the Program.

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There is nothing regarding it on the AdSense Tax Info Page either:

[google.com...]

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There is more than that on this page - [google.com ] . Note: https pages don't auto link here on ww. Google wouldn't collect the info if they didn't need it.

[edited by: level80 at 5:32 pm (utc) on Mar. 28, 2005]

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I remember being confused with Google's online process for determining if federal taxes were to be witheld from payments.

I suppose if you entered inappropriate responses, that could result in taxes being witheld inappropriately.

[edited by: mayor at 5:31 pm (utc) on Mar. 28, 2005]

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Do you have to report the money you make from hawking stuff on eBay? It appears to depend on whether you're running a business or just cleaning out the attic, but the IRS says all income can be taxed.

Seriously? So we presumably paid taxes when we bought the item, then have to pay taxes when we sell the item? So much for taxing double...
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I have 2 US based sole proprietor accounts whereby one was withheld the 28%. I established 2 accounts back before they had channels.
I filed that tax form the first day it came out, either 2004 or 2003 . If I remember correctly, Google wouldn't send checks until it was filled out.
5:39 pm on Mar 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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For those who got taxes taken out...in your "Payment History", does your "Earnings" number match your "Payment" number? for last month's earnings?
6:11 pm on Mar 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The plot thickens...

I just received my February check. Instead of being in the business check sized envelope, it is in one that is twice as tall.

Additionally, the layout is completely different, it's from a different bank, and there isn't a statement attatched.

I realize this may have more to do with the new payout system than the withholding... yet it may also be pertinent.

6:14 pm on Mar 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Check arrived today in the amount of 27.9% less than Earnings. Exactly the same as reported on the last 3 lines of Payment History report:

Feb 28, 2005 Earnings... $X,XXX.XX
Mar 23, 2005 Tax Withholding ($YYY.YY)
Mar 23, 2005 Payment... ($Z,ZZZ.ZZ)

[edited by: Treo650 at 6:16 pm (utc) on Mar. 28, 2005]

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Even if you report Google income on Schedule C, you still have to establish that you are not "subject to backup withholding" and I think this must be the problem here.

My thoughts as well. The amounts being stated are the exact amount the IRS has set as the backup withholding tax rate.

Possible reasons for backup withholding could be missing/incorrect tax forms, not making the required quarterly estimate payments (for those required to), or simply a goof somewhere.

Since 4th quarter payments are to be made by Jan 15th... and right around that same time, the IRS knows how much you made from Google. If you were supposed to pay & didn't or under-pay... right about now would be the first time the IRS had the chance to start forcing those payment through backup withholdings. Have no clue if this is why some of you have tax withholdings, but it's a decent possibility.

Adsense members are employees not contractors
That has nothing to do with IRS requirements regarding payments.
Affiliate programs can withhold taxes as well.

In the vast majority of cases.. they shouldn't

FWIW, straight from the IRS:
You do not withhold income tax or social security and Medicare taxes from, or pay social security and Medicare taxes or federal unemployment tax on amounts you pay to an independent contractor.

[edited by: MrAnchovy at 6:27 pm (utc) on Mar. 28, 2005]

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Any change there were any errors in the tax info #s you submitted to Google, if you are one of the ones missing 27.9% from your check?
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Any change there were any errors in the tax info #s you submitted to Google, if you are one of the ones missing 27.9% from your check?

I've been with AS for over a year and have never had problems with this in the past, I suppose it may be possible some data was corrupted.

I can't imagine being subject to backup withholdings without knowing about it.

note - just checked in the "Tax Information" tab -- I'm looking at blank form, is this standard, or is it supposed to have the information you previously submitted on it?

[edited by: ncreegan at 6:24 pm (utc) on Mar. 28, 2005]

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probably end up having to refill out w-9 tax form with that box,"Exempt from backup withholding" checked. I don't recall exactly what I put down that long ago.
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support unusually slow on responding. Don't contact them much, but when I did, they were to quick to reply
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So, If I don't see "tax withholding" $#*$!.xx in my payment history, I wouldn't have tax withheld. Is it right? Anyone can confirm it?
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FWIW, straight from the IRS:
You do not withhold income tax or social security and Medicare taxes from, or pay social security and Medicare taxes or federal unemployment tax on amounts you pay to an independent contractor.

I'm aware of that, but people may not be sending in quarterly tax payments and the IRS can (and may) say "Google, start withholding from AdSense over $1,000/month"

I've never had any program take out taxes YET, will see what this check has in store for me.

BTW, this could be the aftermath of the changes made to offer EFT, what we in the industry call a BUG.

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BTW, this could be the aftermath of the changes made to offer EFT, what we in the industry call a BUG.

I hope!

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Here are the IRS's rules for determining backup withholding:

[irs.gov...]

There are the instructions that Google should be following.

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received response:
According to the tax information submitted in your Google AdSense account
on Form W-9, your earnings are subject to tax withholding. As a result, we
are required by the IRS to withhold 28% of your Google AdSense income.
Although we were unable to automatically withhold federal taxes from your
Google AdSense payments in the past, this functionality was added as part
of recent enhancements to our payment system. If you have indicated that
you are subject to tax withholding, you will see a line item for tax
withholding on your Payment History page.
8:57 pm on Mar 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If that's the case with all of us, some prior notification would have been nice.

Changed the info on the form... I'm wondering if my withheld will be released next month. Doubt it.

Less I'll be out April 2006 I suppose

8:22 am on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Got my check yesterday, no taxes were held. Personal account with SSN on file.
12:05 pm on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>"If you have indicated that
you are subject to tax withholding..." (on the form W9 submitted to G)

I think this G response answers the question. I can't remember it but there must have been a line on the W9 form indicating whether or not you wanted tax withheld.

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on the W-9 form there is a checkbox for "Exempt from backup withholding"

near the bottom of the form there is another checkbox for "Check here if you have been notified by the IRS that you are currently subject to backup withholding because you have failed to report all interest and dividends on your tax return."

on page [google.com...] it states:

U.S. tax law requires that Google collect tax-related information from all AdSense publishers. Our records indicate that you have already submitted the appropriate information. You are solely responsible for providing and maintaining accurate tax information associated with your account. Should your tax information change, you may resubmit your tax forms at any time. Thank you for your cooperation.

so, you can change and resubmit your tax forms at any time. whether or not they'll send you money previously withheld if you change to "no withholding" is anybody's guess, but mine would be not.

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Check arrived, no taxes taken out.

So this is not across the board, yet.

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I contacted google... and this is a new feature... According to your tax standing (I'm running adsense as sole p) they added the feature of with-holding taxes for the irs. They told me this may be changed by you changing your filing status.

If you look at the pluses for google to hold your taxes, say they with-hold Billion dollars 1,000,000,000 over the course of a year if they leave that in a savings account for 4% that would equal 40,000,000 EXTRA for google just for holding the money.

I'm in the process of changing into an S corp and I would rather manage my own taxes...

**************************************************
***** response from Google support **********
**************************************************
According to the tax information submitted in your Google AdSense account
on Form W-9, your earnings are subject to tax withholding. As a result, we
are required by the IRS to withhold 28% of your Google AdSense income.
Although we were unable to automatically withhold federal taxes from your
Google AdSense payments in the past, this functionality was added as part
of recent enhancements to our payment system. If you have indicated that
you are subject to tax withholding, you will see a line item for tax
withholding on your Payment History page.

If you would like to update the tax information you have provided, you can
resubmit your information at any time.

To update your tax information:

1. Log in to your AdSense account at [google.com...]
2. Click the 'My Account' tab
3. Click the 'Tax information' link
4. Follow the instructions on the 'Tax information' page to update your
current form, or to submit a new form.

Google will only use the latest tax information you provide for the
purpose of reporting to the IRS.

Please feel free to reply to this email if you have additional questions
or concerns.

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If you look at the pluses for google to hold your taxes, say they with-hold Billion dollars 1,000,000,000 over the course of a year if they leave that in a savings account for 4% that would equal 40,000,000 EXTRA for google just for holding the money.

Unless something changed since I had employees you have to deposit/send the employee tax money monthly (at least that's what I did). See [irs.gov...]

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If you look at the pluses for google to hold your taxes, say they with-hold Billion dollars 1,000,000,000 over the course of a year if they leave that in a savings account for 4% that would equal 40,000,000 EXTRA for google just for holding the money.

Nice find, Contractor. There will always be questions of intent on this board, if not conspiracy theories.

We deposit withheld taxes as well. I wish the above was true though. But to do so would run afoul with Uncle Sam, and no one certainly wants that.

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