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Is it okay to use frames to manipulate adsense?

Low paying keywords, but valuable visitor demographics

         

roldar

10:58 am on Mar 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm just wondering if the following type of thing works, and as importantly if it violates the Adsense TOS.

I have a site which has low low low paying keywords. However, my visitors' demographics are those sought after by many advertisers. If I could put adsense in a separate frame and put in a few keywords to nudge what was displayed, I'm confident I could get an excellent CTR as well as some higher paying ads.

I would write ads with higher paying keywords, but it's a hobby site and there's really no good way to integrate anything of the sort into my site.

Does this work? Does adsense look only at the frame it is in in order to determine ads? If not, is there another way to achieve this?

Does Google forbid this?

jetteroheller

11:11 am on Mar 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Read the TOS section about framed sites:

The ad has to be on the content frame.

roldar

11:16 am on Mar 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm afraid I couldn't find any information on this in the TOS or the FAQ. I read about it being illegal to frame a site after an ad is clicked on, but nothing specificly regarding frames and where the ads can be placed.

I kind of figured it wouldn't work anyways.. I don't see why it wouldn't use the whole page regardless of framing to determine the ads.

topr8

11:30 am on Mar 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>> If I could put adsense in a separate frame and put in a few keywords to nudge what was displayed, I'm confident I could get an excellent CTR as well as some higher paying ads.

surely you don't even need to ask this question, if your pages show ads that you are not happy with, but by a sleight of hand (eg using a keyword stuffed frame) you think you will get higher paying ads showing on the same page ... need i say more.

roldar

11:50 am on Mar 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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How is it bad for advertisers? I provide high quality leads from people looking to buy their services.

I wasn't suggesting I have a humor site and then throw in mesothelioma ads.

Manipulation in and of itself doesn't have to be a negative. I see this is a place where pure contextual advertising has its faults (or maybe isn't advanced enough). Just a for instance, I think advertising alcohol and tobacco on a site with a 25-35 male demographic seeking DUI advice would be considered pretty targeted. Not likely to happen in practice. And no, I don't want to advertise alcohol and tobacco. Yes, I read the TOS.

Oh well, I guess I'll just go build a scraper site so my content will target the right ads.</sarcasm>

topr8

12:04 pm on Mar 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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roldar, i wasn't being personal ... infact i have a sympaphy with your point of view.

but using frames in that way is very grey at best. even if your intentions are entirely honourable which i'm sure yours are.

lammert

12:21 pm on Mar 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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... my visitors' demographics are those sought after by many advertisers. If I could put adsense in a separate frame and put in a few keywords to nudge what was displayed, I'm confident I could get an excellent CTR as well as some higher paying ads.

I also find that many advertisers are interested in my visitors and therefore I should earn at least $15 per click, but unfortunately the advertisers think differently and the bid price is far lower than that. :(

Seriously now: if you are confident that you are doing nothing wrong and your pages qualify for ads on higher paying keywords you should contact adsense support. For premium members they have the option to target ads on specific keywords with adaptations to the javascript and there have been reports on this board that in rare situations where keyword matching based on the content alone is very difficult they allow non-premium members also to use this, but you have to get their permission first! See furter [webmasterworld.com ] message #4.

Adsense support can also filter out non matching keywords in the background on request. See [webmasterworld.com ]