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Why does Google AdSense sponsor "scraper" spam sites

     

zeus

11:17 pm on Mar 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I remember when I signed up for google adsense I was a little nervous how professionel a site must be to be accepted, but I did not have any troubles.

I hope we agree on that site full of links/google search results is a pure spam site, if so, WHY does google adsense sponsor such sites, there are 10000 sites like that which a sponsored by adsense, dont they want good search results any more, be cause the more they support those site, more there will be in the serps.

I refuse to beleive that its just because of the money.

Atticus

3:22 am on Mar 31, 2005 (gmt 0)



"Does scraping affect Adsense income for individual publishers? How?"

Some scraper sites will "302 hijack" your site (see associated threads in WebmasterWorld's Google News forum). This condition may also lead to "domain posioning"

Additionally, by copying the snippets of sites like yours which have previously ranked well, the scraper hopes to out compete you for those terms. I don't think that they rank particularly well in general, but I think they do dilute the SERPs for multi word phrases to some degree.

Thing is nobody really knows -- that's what makes this cutting edge. In short, many publishers have seen exactly what you have, sudden drops in traffic and revenue coinciding with the rise of these types of sites. What is the exact cause and effect (if any), and how to stop traffic and reputation loss are what this discusion is about. Stay tuned. There are others here who can explain this a little better, they'll be back soon, I'm sure.

ipoem

3:24 am on Mar 31, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"If they are not legitim directories to which you sent your site too, nor good well known search engines, then they are scraper sites. "

That is too broad of a description, and wholly inaccurate.

fischermx

3:38 am on Mar 31, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Luckly, I'm not expecting approval from any encyclopedia nor needing it, nor asking for.
;)

Atticus

3:39 am on Mar 31, 2005 (gmt 0)



"That is too broad of a description, and wholly inaccurate."

The suggestion was for criteria regarding sites one might report to G for investigation.

It would be up to G to decide the fate of these sites and they can use any sized brush they want cuz it's their SE and in some cases, their ads.

I have never reported anyone myself, but if anybody out there is considering it, re-read posts by blend27 or ask him specific tips. He is "The Scraper Slayer." (Why do I always hear a voice-over and theme music when I type that?)

blend27

4:15 am on Mar 31, 2005 (gmt 0)

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isuccess --It'd be nice if Google could offer a payment plan for us to report these types of sites --

I'd bet you I’ll make a killing :) there...if that would ever made like that.

Look, reporting sites to Google is not my job, nor i do it for fun. I will do it if that the scraper gets above my site in SERPS using my content on his site or has a 302 to my site, if that does not work with in 48 hours, he is really in trouble, I am very tech oriented when it comes to programming languages (I know 7) and WebSserver administration as well, so duplicating his site is not a bid deal. all you need for the “dupped” site to get indexed is one link from a good PR site, which I have, and know many developers that do. But this way it is the same thing, wasting time on this is not my goal. I am a small business owner, with an attitude which reads: don't steal from me, you be OK.

Atticus

4:47 am on Mar 31, 2005 (gmt 0)



Buffy: Again with the grunting. You realize I'm not comfortable with this.

Faith: Hey, slaying's what we were built for. If you're not enjoying it, you're doing something wrong.

fischermx

6:03 pm on Mar 31, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The jewelry "shop" stills up.
How much time remains?

Atticus

8:33 pm on Mar 31, 2005 (gmt 0)



fischermx,

Do you need a refill on that popcorn? How about some chips?

isuccess

10:49 pm on Mar 31, 2005 (gmt 0)

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one link from a good PR site--

Yeah, I do it from a pr8, google owned site to get mine indexed.

Yes, I am curious to know the mechanics of how these scraper sites can dilute my adsense profits and affect my traffic.

I have to sell my car now just to recover from my adsense loss (:0 Just kidding . But you know, I have noticed an 80% drop on my income and I can only attribute that to a potential scraping of my site urls or a total disinterest in my particular industry or a huge drop in page rank. Or a combination of all the above. But I am bound and determined to find out if scraping has anything to do with it. If it does, I won't be the only one losing adsense revenue to these losers.

Atticus

11:45 pm on Mar 31, 2005 (gmt 0)



isuccess,

While scraper sites are an important issue, I wouldn't assume that all your (our) problems are due to these sites.

There is some major weirdness going on with G these days and....I don't even know how to say what I mean, cuz there's just been so much strangeness going on.

We may be putting too much blame on scrapers because they can be such an eyesore -- you know that horrid sense of shock you feel when you find your snippets on these sites.

But maybe the sudden rise of scrapers is just another symptom of whatever the real problem is that's making things so ....weird.

I don't intend to undercut the issue, but I'm am trying to take in other perspectives as well.

fischermx

6:09 pm on Apr 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The jewelry stills alive.

I need a popcorn refill.

blend27

6:25 pm on Apr 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Take it easy fischermx, get a grip, its a natural process.

Ready, Set, Go...

if its not taken down, it will be reproduced else where.... in a slightly different maner, think of it as!oogle_ad_clien! id..., and frodster cliks, fight fire with fire.... or have some Holly water on you neck.....:)

fischermx

3:57 am on Apr 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Ukranian sweety with jewelry site still making money with adsense ... 4 days after the site was reported.

More popcorn, more popcorn! <lol>

fischermx

3:59 am on Apr 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The site had 6,080 pages indexed, now it have only 6,060, you guys really have no mercy ;)

zeus

10:17 am on Apr 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think this scraper issue is getting worse and I do see more sponsored with google, I even get alot of traffic from those, but I dont want that kind of traffic, because I know how I feel everytime I see those scrapers show up in the results.

There are some they must have 1000-5000 domains with scraper sites.

webace

10:39 am on Apr 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"Ukrainian sweetie"
well I know dutch sweeties china sweeties chech sweeties ech..that have made top 10 sites.Google gave the chance to make "ex nothing to do scams" to make finally money legitimate ,instead of sale drugs or become pipmps outside of our schools.There is nothing wrong if those pages rank high ,at last we can have less unemployment and criminality and more,if the Governments teach the young ones a bit of web design and IT.Google is doing a great global job more then the UN in fighting unemployment.Now if some of those kids are playing fals games soon they will be penalise ie(from top ten to last ten in 10000000).

blend27

3:25 pm on Apr 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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webace, please reread the entire post, i am not agaist any country.

---finally money legitimate ,instead of sale drugs--- so if they dont sell drugs, but steal its ok right?

aleksl

3:47 pm on Apr 4, 2005 (gmt 0)



Completely off topic...This thread should've been closed a while back, I guess...

Anyway, "spam slayer", whatever it is you call yourself, kid. Have you heard of "do not to others you would not have others do to you"?

I'll tell you a likely scenario. That Ukrainian guy makes money, but gets kicked out of G. He can't buy a yacht, but for "spam slayers" weekly income he can hire developers to build spam sites for a year. He goes into business, first his task being to create 20 more spam sites. His second task - finding dudes who rat him to google and make sure their "legitimate" sites never ever rank in Google again. Or worse - they 302-highjack every site in their niches.

Google benefits regardless - as this war serves them well - you (and other innocent sites in your niche) have to buy Adwords, and spammers make them money through Adsense.

fischermx

4:33 pm on Apr 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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so if they dont sell drugs, but steal its ok right?

I guess he meant steal is "less worse".
Come on and show some common sense. Don't tell me you think all felonies are the same, as long as they are a felony.
Don't tell us your state/country give the same punishment to an assassin, than a drug dealer, than a teenage robering a 7eleven. ;)
Totally OFF topic, I know, but you almost sounded disgusting with that comparison.

P.S. And I am totally against content thief of any kind.
:)

Atticus

5:18 pm on Apr 4, 2005 (gmt 0)



aleksl,

What exactly is your point?

If G simply wants to get all the money it can in any way it can, then why do they have any website guideliness at all and why would anyone ever be kicked out of the program?

Why do they limit the number of ads per page? Why are publishers not allowed to request clicks? There are any number of things G would change if they simply wanted to partner with all the scumbags on the planet and make $$$.

fish,

Consider this:

"An electron is to a nucleus as a planet is to a star."

This does not mean that the solar system can fit under your fingernail. The matter of scale has nothing to do with it, except to emphasize whatever point the person stating the analogy is attempting to make.

If the only permissible analogies where phrased thusly:

"Robbing a 7/11 is like robbing a 7/11," then an analogy would simply be a redundancy and what would be the point?

zeus

12:18 am on Apr 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Jesus- I have now seen a site with 50% same text color as the background sponsored by google, does that mean there is no rules anymore? Is the google serps up for graps now on basic spamming, it sure looks like it and I will NEVER send a spam report to google anymore, because if they can not even exclude simple spaming out of there serps, I realy beginnig to think thet all the talk about you can not do this and that is just pure rumors to make webmasters nervous.

blend27

1:12 am on Apr 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I guess once the program becomes as big as their AdSense there is no fear for them, Google, to have sites with spam techniques pop up here and there. My thought is they leave it Up to us to report it, so there is a sense of being connected to the Word "Google". My site does very well on MSN, and recently with a new update on Yahoo stated to rank well there as well. As far as Google goes, I really don't care any more. I have couple of days ago I have contacted them about a site in question, and received a reply that the could not reproduce what I was talking about. From now on I will be as a Silent Blend, what ever that might bring to the site in question....
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