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everything is similar ..days of the week .. sametraffic etc..
The traffic I send advertisors cant get any more "on target" .. lots of good clean on target traffic.. boom all of a sudden they start taking 7/8 and leaving me with 1/8 .
I have advertisors email me every week and I keep putting them off because even though I'd make a bit more the hassle factor has to be included .
The ease factor of adsense is it's main selling point.
The way it is now I can make twice as much just selling direct ; I'll give it adsense until the end of the month .
It also makes sense why we can discuss earnings but not EPC.. sure wouldnt want publishers realizing that they (G) is constantly taking a big slice of pie at the EPC level
Possibilities include:
-Advertisers changing their pay rate.
-Visitors clicking on lower paying advertisers.
-You have one big payout advertiser, which consequently provides you with skewed results.
-Google is delaying the payments on at least some of your clicks until the following day, making the clicks and payments not necessarily match up properly.
just kidding even steven EFV ;)
Boardroom ...Hey Bob, cant we just increase our take from our publishers ;)
All they have to do is leave europeforvisitors EPC to counter the rash of lower EPC reportings.. lol
My EPC, CPM, and total earnings are up, now that you mention it, but I'd expect supply and demand to work in my favor during the travel-planning season. If you prefer bad news, ask me about my earnings in November. :-)
I do think the simplistic "my earnings are down, so Google must be taking a bigger slice of the pie" argument would be more convincing if all publishers were seeing a decline.
I do think the simplistic "my earnings are down, so Google must be taking a bigger slice of the pie" argument would be more convincing if all publishers were seeing a decline.
I think it's smart of google that they do it in random blocks so there are no trends. I think 900 Ph.D.'s pulled this one off the right way ;-). Too bad they can't fix 302s like they can their cut of AdSesne.
My previous downturn happened slowly between early June and early July. (again, never recovered)
Both of these happened without any changes on my side. Obviously I am not looking at seasonal changes around major holidays that could mean increased advertiser budgets. These are short term trends.
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The facts are EPC is declining on a lot of peoples websites and no one has yet been able to give a definitive reason why. Google refuses to answer .just canned responses.
I'm more inclined to think any drop is advertizers getting by with lower bids, or Smart Pricing in some cases, than I am to think Google has cut the percentage paid to publishers.
I've had a better month so far than Feb. Feb. was way down from Jan, but still up from October (pre-holiday rush).
There's just too many factors to be able to say with any certainty that a drop is because of a specific factor.
I am in the same boat as you.
My EPC has dropped to all-time low levels. I am so freaked. Even with higher clicks, my total revenue is about 50% less than December.
My EPC is is rock bottom, or at least I hope it is. I am so disgusted.
thanks for making my point EVP..as long as it isnt you; you refuse to hear everyone else #*$!ing about it...
I've never disputed the fact that some publishers' earnings are down. I just don't have a lot of patience with people who let frustration get in the way of common sense. If Google were lowering payouts across the board, then wouldn't all publishers be affected?
Repeatedly, I've suggested that publishers with declining EPC, CPM, and/or earnings should compare notes about their topics, general traffic levels, types of content, etc. to see if any common factors are at work. So far, I haven't seen any takers, and I can't help wondering why. Is it more satisfying to complain blindly than to look for reasons and solutions?
Why do you think it would have to be "across the board" ; that would be the LAST thing G would do.
When you make cuts to a lot of people you do it in steps and that is the pattern we are seeing.
You would also include a TOS that limits peoples ability to discuss EPC.
We talking about hundreds of millions of dollars and G is under a lot of pressure to "perform" so dont kid yourself that they arent looking at increasing their share at the publishers expense.
If quality publishers start leaving adsense, maybe it would send a message to G.
All the bases have been covered.
That hasn't been my impression.
Why do you think it would have to be "across the board" ; that would be the LAST thing G would do.
I don't recall seeing any allegations of reduced payouts that have been qualified with language such as "Google must be lowering the payout for certain topics or types of content."
When you make cuts to a lot of people you do it in steps and that is the pattern we are seeing.
It's hard to call it a pattern when the evidence is anecdotal and inconsistent. Anyone who's spent much time around forums knows that posts by members with problems or complaints outnumber posts by members who are happy. That's hardly surprising; when was the last time you called a customer-service number to tell a manufacturer how happy you were with a product?
You would also include a TOS that limits peoples ability to discuss EPC.
And you certainly wouldn't change your TOS to allow publishers to reveal gross earnings.
We talking about hundreds of millions of dollars and G is under a lot of pressure to "perform" so dont kid yourself that they arent looking at increasing their share at the publishers expense.
So now they're just "looking at increasing their share," not actually doing it? :-)
It wouldn't surprise me a bit if Google were adjusting "smart pricing" and the compensation formula in ways that were helpful to some publishers and harmful to others. This could be done for any number of reasons beyond keeping a bigger chunk of the take. Or perhaps, as birdstuff likes to tell us, the "smart pricing" algorithm is inherently flawed. Algorithms don't always perform as intended, and attempts to fix specific problems sometimes lead to collateral damage (as victims of the Allegra search update will be happy to remind us).
Its almost midnight here in London and I've had a few so bare with me.
1- How much money did you make out of you site before adsense?
2- Google is the single biggest search engine in THE WORLD (80% M/S)!
3- Google is a public shareholding company whos...
wait for this... main objective is to maximize profits for its shareholders.
4- If your site is successfully converting websurfers into buyers thereby making money for google and its adwords customers (myself included)then google will want to make you happy by giving you more of its share of the revenues (excuse me...sweet revenues)that the advertisers are ready to pay)
5- For whoever is complaining in this thread...
Stop Complaining! and get on with your business of creating good content that will transform surfers into buyers!
6- For once I agree with everything EFV has to say
Petra over and out!
Google paid me well for 15 Months ; I deliver the highest quality traffic .
It has NOTHING to do with quality of sites
You dont cut in half publishers EPC that have been sending you targeted traffic for nearly 2 years.
Something is flawed and it isnt the traffic Iam sending them..because if it was I wouldnt be getting advertisors emailing me every week with "proposals" .
So I KNOW for a fact that the traffic I send is converting well .
I'm complaning about it to draw attention to the FACT that something is going on with adsense and EPC .. as well documented across this board and other webmaster boards .
Like I said , I'm giving them 2 weeks things adjustments arent made I'll just take my advertisors proposals, yes it will be more of a hassle but I am not going to turn down twice the money because G cant sort smart pricing or because G simply wants a bigger cut.
