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chullanz

7:20 am on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Dear frnds..

I had a site that was denied permission at adsense cos the site had breached the TOS.This was primarily bcos i had not read the TOS properly or I had ignored them.

I have a series of website and google has approved another website of mine.
I shall start running adsense on this new site of mine..which is strictly according to the adsense TOS.
I have reformatted the old banned website to the terms of TOS.

As google says if i have to add new accounts to the new approved site i dont have to notify google but just to make sure that the added website is obeying the TOS.

Now my question is Can i use adsense code on the old banned(Now reformatted according to TOS) as well as with the new approved website? Pls gve me suggestions and problem that i may face...

Note:-The old site was banned cos of invalid clicks.And I swear it was a mistake as i had ignored the TOS and as i was playing around with diff layouts..3 ad units appeared on same page...and i had urged my visitors to click on the ads.This time i understand the seriousness.And the mistake wont be repeated in the new approved site and the old site as well..Ive read well the TOS and is confident now.

JamesR3

7:23 am on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Uh oh... I see some flames for chullanz coming....

Seriously though (well, I was serious about the flames too), my guess would be that by the letter of the TOS, this is acceptable. Seems a little like a loophole, but if the site is now in accordance with the TOS and they don't specifically say you can't do this... Curious to see what everyone else thinks.

Rodney

7:26 am on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I don't think they ban just the account or just the website, they ban the person.

So unless you get explicit permission to apply for the program again, it is likely that you used some deception to signup for adsense again under a different website, name, and/or mailing address.

My guess is that they will soon find out that you signed up again after they banned you, and they will cancel this new account as well.

So it probably doesn't matter if you add the adsense code to the old website or not.

Why not send Google and email and ask them if it would be ok?

thegreatpretender

7:29 am on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Chullanz, were you reinstated by google?
or you applied using another name? Just curious.

chullanz

7:29 am on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Honestly im not attempting to cheat advertisers of google.I was a newbie with adsense in my old site and while tinkering around with things i got banned.
This time i have studied well the TOS and i have geared up to get more traffic and click throughs on my site.i have studied well how great revenue making sites work..their layouts...content optimising...and ofcourse the lame sites also(like my old site lol) that just throws up a google adunit on every page and dreams of great revenue!

I want expert advice on this matter..Cos i donot want google to ban me this time too.If this option is not possible(of featuring ads on my old site)..i shall ru with my new site..though the traffic is low..i shall find in some plan to get traffic from my old hit site to this.

Pls frnds..help me! Wer is diamndgrl..Maam...wat do u say this time?

JamesR3

7:31 am on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Chullanz, I think their question is a good one: Before anyone can help you, did you sign up again in your own name, using legitimate information, the same as last time you signed up, or did you obscure your identity so that Google would not realize that you were the owner of a previously-blocked site?

chullanz

7:34 am on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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No pretender..i have not reinstated my account.Google says its not possible.I have a series of websites...i signed up again for that website.

If google thinks i shudnt put ads on the banned one...i shall do it with my new approved one.

Guys u talk like ive killed someone.
Plz understand that im a newbie and wat i need is some help.

Visit Thailand

7:36 am on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I would suggest you email Google and ask them whether it is ok to put ads on X site.

After all no matter what is discussed here only they can tell you for sure.

JamesR3

7:36 am on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My personaly opinion (which admittedly counts for as much with Google as... well, I can't think of something insignificant enough) would be that if he signed up with the same info and Google let him in, it's fine. I mean, I have to assume that the data-sifting king of the world couldn't have missed the same person signing up again after getting booted.

chullanz

7:36 am on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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James i have moved from my college (ive completed my studies and is returning home)...So i have given my home address this time.Will it be a problem?

JamesR3

7:38 am on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm don't remember what info they ask for. Assumedly you gave them your full name, and probably social security number. If that is the case, the address change would not mean anything -- they should certainly still know it is you.

thegreatpretender

7:40 am on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Once you get your first check, I think you're ok. But make sure you follow the tos this time.

chullanz

7:41 am on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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That means as a person i am not eligible to participate with google anymore? Ohh...that is so disappointing..!

Rodney

7:42 am on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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if he signed up with the same info and Google let him in, it's fine. I mean, I have to assume that the data-sifting king of the world couldn't have missed the same person signing up again after getting booted.

The big word in that sentiment is if.

From the most recent post, it seems that chullanz gave Google a different mailing address this time AND a different website address.

I'm not sure there's any help here that anyone could give chullanz.

It seems pretty clear that he is going around the rules to try to get back into adsense after a clear case of clickfraud.

They wouldn't let him back in, so he snuck back in using a different website and a different mailing address.

If he feels that what he did (signing up for a new account with different information) is OK, then he should have no problem asking Google if it is OK if he puts the ads from his new account on his old banned website.

chullanz

7:44 am on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yes Pretender..ive studied the TOS carefully and is very keen on abiding by it this time.As i told you i was a newbie and did not take the TOS seriously first time(i wud say was not patient enough to read the whole thing lol )..

This time its not gonna be repeated.

JamesR3

7:44 am on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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That means as a person i am not eligible to participate with google anymore? Ohh...that is so disappointing..!

No, I think just the opposite. After all, they approved you, right? My point was that they must have approved you even knowing who you were, because if you gave them an SS#, there would be no room for confusion as to your identity. They knew you had an account before, yet still gave you another.

But, this is all just hand waiving. As others have mentioned, you'll either get a check or you won't, or just email google to make sure.

chullanz

7:47 am on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Rodney...if u have read the TOS carefully...there is no problem in starting a new website and applying for adsense..I have a series of websites..so im sure its okai with google.

okai let me ask...if i put ads on the banned site...will the ads get displayed?

chullanz

7:49 am on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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James i have not given any ss# i live outside the us.

JamesR3

7:52 am on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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James i have not given any ss# i live outside the us.

Ahhh... so, with a new address (which presumably comes with a new phone number), and no ss#, and a new web site URL, the only thing that remains the same is your name -- which is not necessarily a unique identifier. I am forced to change my assessment then and say that there is a decent chance Google doesn't know who you are.

MarkHutch

7:53 am on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The best advice is to contact Google and be upfront and honest. If you don't, I think it's just a matter of time before you get caught using a new account.

There are so many ways to get caught. Even if you didn't get caught in the sign up stage, it doesn't mean that you won't get caught in the future. You could be putting a bunch of work into adding code to pages, which will become disabled in the future. If you don't mind possiblity wasting your time adding code that could be disabled in the future, then go for it.

[edited by: MarkHutch at 7:55 am (utc) on Mar. 17, 2005]

chullanz

7:55 am on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Okai...I have mailed google.Thank you guys for your support and comments.

blairsp

8:58 am on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I don't think they ban just the account or just the website, they ban the person.

No they ban EVERYTHING. Person, address, url

jetteroheller

11:24 am on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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We teach toddlers not to steal, what belongs to me and You.

But toddlers had been never educated about click froud.

So it happens that I have to explain a 60 year old honest man, that he should not click around on my ads.

It's something new.

BTW, what was at Your old banned web site against TOS?

Very curriouse to hear about it.

roycerus

1:04 pm on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think you are wrong. Google does not BAN a person. They BAN a website. I remember when I first applied I was denied. Simply because my website was still under construction. I applied again after finishing the site and they let me in.

You have to think of it like a businessman. If a site is worth it, it'll get into the program. And NO I don't think you should put the ads on your banned website again! Who are you trying to fool? It's this kind of unprofessional behavior that will get you banned over and over.

If you who got banned once spend a year and build a fantastic website which gets a whole lot of targeted hits. Then google may give you a cold call asking you to become a publisher [it has happened]. So be professional.. Work on your stuff and forget google.. if it's good enough ogilvy may give you a million dollar sponsorship.

No ads on the banned website. Work with the new one.

diamondgrl

2:49 pm on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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roycerus, you are wrong. Google doesn't work with dishonest people. They would be collossal boneheads if they did. Your site was disapproved because it wasn't quite ready but that's not dishonesty on your part, just that you weren't quite prepared yet for prime time.

They clearly approved chullanz again because they didn't know it was him.

Check chullanz's other threads to see what he was banned for. It was for encouraging his buddies to click.

roycerus

3:05 pm on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hmmm... I see. Well, I stick by my statement. This is a business and you need to be professional about it. No one will do business with frauds. And it's even more important to be honest and straightforward when you are doing business online because you never really personally meet the contact you are doing business with. So.. your acts are your virtues.

PatrickDeese

4:56 pm on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If you were lucky enough to get back into the Adsense program by using a different name and different address - the stupidest thing you can do is put the adsense code on the site that got you kicked out.

Basically you are painting a huge arrow to you and your previously fraudulent behavior.

A domain that has had adsense code on it that was violating the TOS is banned - and will not be allowed to show Adsense code again, ever again - except perhaps if made a compelling case to Google (the domain ownership changed hands, for instance).

Chullanz was kicked out of Adsense less than 2 weeks ago for telling his forum vistors that they had to click on the ads ten times a day at different intervals so they wouldn't get filters.

In my opinion, that is extremely dishonest. The simple fact that he wants to put adsense back onto the same forum shows that he hasn't learned his lesson and hopefully Google will quickly correct their oversight.

Rodney

5:22 pm on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Google does not BAN a person. They BAN a website. I remember when I first applied I was denied. Simply because my website was still under construction. I applied again after finishing the site and they let me in.I remember when I first applied I was denied. Simply because my website was still under construction. I applied again after finishing the site and they let me in.

That's not the same thing. You didn't get banned from Adsense, you just weren't approved in the first place (because your site wasn't finished).

You didn't do anything to get banned, you just finished your site and applied again and they accepted you.

Jenstar

8:53 pm on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I don't think they ban just the account or just the website, they ban the person.

No they ban EVERYTHING. Person, address, url

This is correct. If you have an account and you get suspended, the URLs you had associated it will be manually blocked from showing AdSense again, no matter whose code is used.

david_uk

9:02 pm on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This is correct. If you have an account and you get suspended, the URLs you had associated it will be manually blocked from showing AdSense again, no matter whose code is used.

So logically, if he signs up for a new account on a new site, then puts the code on the banned site, Google will realise this and then ban his new site(s) as well?

I'd be interested to know what Google say.

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