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I just want to post my thoughts on this since google canceled my adsense account. Once your adsense account is canceled:
1) Your site and your keywords will be either moved to lower position or your site will be removed from google. Few of my keywords were top in top ten position and now two of them are around 100 position. eight of them are no longer listed, therefore no traffic from google at all.
2) google notify advertisers if they receive a suspicious activity in their account, that is if you accidently clicked on your ads. Google will suspend your account if those activities show large number of clicks. I personally believe that above 80% or higher from your day average. There has to be a sequence in clicks, not one day you will receive thousands or more clicks and next day you go back where you were.
3)You personally have to monitor your account on a daily basis and report any weird acitivity to google. Once you contact google make sure that ads will be removed from google to show them that you are fully aware of the problem and you are cooperating with google fully.
4) Google will actually reward you for taking this steps with a nice e-mail.
Below is what google should do to protect their advertisers. We are working for them!
1) have a link or button in your adsense account where by clicking on it all ads will automatically reflect a public ads, so you notify google if something weird is going on. This would be a good feature for those who posts ads diretly to html pages or have no knowledge how to quickly remove ads from their site, if web person is not available.
2) Prepare a clear steps how to protect adnsense publishers from click fraud if you are a victim of it. Explain in details what information to pass to google so they can start monitoring such account.
3) Their code should have a some kind of security so no IP adreses is repeated no more than 5-10 times per click. This will show that no site is build for google adsense only.
Google describes in their security and exchange statement before they went poublic that click fraud is an issue for them and it might cut down on their income if such activity is present. This activity can be prevented in a way if they work directly with an adsense publisher insted of taking your account down.
By taking your account down they think they immediately resolved the problem, however the "click fraud person" may move to another site and do the same damage. Than another site may get canceled just becasue of that.
I think that google is brand new at this, and they missing few pieces to completly satisfy advertisers and publishers. They treasure their advertisers and punish their publishers.
Only from posts like these you will know what to do, I never read any posts before so I had no clue what to do once I saw large number of clicks in my account. So i did nothing..big mistake.
Your site and your keywords will be either moved to lower position or your site will be removed from google
You personally have to monitor your account on a daily basis and report any weird acclivity to google
We are working for them!
Your site and your keywords will be either moved to lower position or your site will be removed from google.
But how are your positions in other engines?
I used to notify Google about unusual activity, they used to send a canned mail. I haven't bothered for a long time and when there have been drastic changes in my stats for reasons known only to me (being featured in slashdot/having a competition on our website/moving all Adsense ads to less seen bottom of the page and then back up again) Google hasn't batted an eyelid. My experience is that the 80% figure is not backed by facts.
>> They treasure their advertisers and punish their publishers.
On the contrary they are actively trying to expand their publisher base, are devoting a lot of resources to it, and some Adwords advertisers would argue that this is at the expense of service to them. Browse through the last few months of Adwords threads and you'll see what I mean. Besides, there's no harm in treasuring advertisers. They're the ones paying the bills.
Very nice of you to help others benefit from your experience.
I now notify Google of all seriously odd situations whether it be out of whack stats or something else.
Also, at work I use a computer on a network of 15 computers. My site is about the field I work in, so guys from my job do visit my site. I emailed G from work and explained this to them in case they see clicks from the network or my computer which I share with three other guys.
Last week I did a huge, huge email of every email address I had in my files to take advantate of the high December EPC. My income doubled. I emailed Google to tell them about the mailing. They sent back back a happy email thanking me.
I do all of this so that if the day comes where someone decides to "help me out" with a hundred clicks in an hour, Google will hopefully review my files and see that I have tried to be a responsible publisher. It might not help, but I don't think it could hurt.
:)
Your site and your keywords will be either moved to lower position or your site will be removed from google. Few of my keywords were top in top ten position and now two of them are around 100 position. Eight of them are no longer listed, therefore no traffic from google at all.
While I can fully appreciate why you might say this, given your current situation, I think you're succumbing to a bit of a logical fallacy, here. Remember that just because one event follows another, that does not necessarily mean there is a causal relationship between the two.
For example, this morning I turned my coffee pot on at 7:45. By 8:00 it was snowing. Is it reasonable for me to conclude that it started snowing because I turned the coffee pot on, simply because one event occured before the other? Of course not.
Before you argue that your case does not fit the model presented by this example (because 'Google SERPs' and 'Google Adsense' have 'Google' in common, while 'cofee pot' and 'snowstorm' have no common factor), try this example instead...
On Christmas Eve, a little boy looks out his window and wishes on a star that he will get a brand new bike for Christmas. The next morning, he wakes up to find a brand new bike under the tree. Did his wish the night before cause him to get a bike for Christmas? Almost certainly not. What in all liklihood caused him to get that bike was a wish, question or comment made to his mom and dad several weeks before. It just took waiting until Christmas day for the cause/effect relationship to come to fruition.
Your situation might be more similar to this one than you think. In my experience, and in the experience of almost every other thread I've seen on WebmasterWorld, changes in search ranking are not immediate. When you alter a page, it takes some time for the results of your alterations to have any impact on how your page ranks in the SERPs. It seems unlikely that Google, who automates so much of their operation, would go to the trouble of hand-removing a cancelled Adsense account's pages from the search index. It's conceivable that they might put it on a list to be ignored during the next crawl, but again, the results would not be immediate.
In other words, it may be fallacious to assume that being dropped from Adsense caused your drop in the SERPs, in the same way that it is fallacious to assume that the little boy got his bike as a result of wishing on a Christmas Eve star. Far more likely is the possibility that your drop in the SERPs has been looming on you for awhile now, and just happened to coincide with your removal from the Adsense system.
Regardless, your experience has brought at least one important lesson to light for all of us: it's worth a publisher's time to be proactive with Google regarding their account. Don't sit back and let Google make the first move regarding weird goings-on with your ads (since Google's first move may be to drop you).
Thanks for sharing your experience. Here's hoping that your luck is better in the future.
cEM
it may be fallacious to assume that being dropped from Adsense caused your drop in the SERPs
This is very offensive thing to say. You are very wrong, man!
Nothing happens without a reason and the guy pointed out clear relationship. Please don't post such offensive nonsense - this guy suffered enough, to be kicked even further...
Shame on you, createErrorMsg!
This is very offensive thing to say. You are very wrong, man!
I don't believe there is a relationship between being suspended from AdSense and ranking issues in the natural Google serps. If there was, no publisher would dare sign up for AdSense.
As for Google rankings, there was a major Google index shake up at the same time - incidentily this shake up happened just one day before you posted your first post about it here. There are 500 posts all about it in this thread:
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The timing is coincidental, yes. But plenty of webmasters having the identical ranking issues are not using AdSense at all.
And as for noticing an increase of clicks during a short period of time, other publishers here have faced the identical problem, and came through it just fine with their account with AdSense in good standing.
That was stimulating, so added the code to another bunch of not-so-important pages, which resulted in 30 times total increase in earnings during period of couple days.
Did not email Google (why should I afterall) and nothing wrong happened, earnings are on slow increase all the time.
I think if the pages with adsense are natural part of the site and there's no attempt to disguise adsense as part of site navigation, or otherwise trick visitors into clicking - in other words, withstand adwords advertisers' manual review - one can sleep at night.
Aren't you overacting just a teeny winny bit?
it would be hillarious if it was sarcasm...however I doubt it was.
it may be fallacious to assume that being dropped from Adsense caused your drop in the SERPsThis is very offensive thing to say. You are very wrong, man!
You do realize "fallacious" merely means "faulty reasoning?" I fail to see how suggesting that the logic of his conclusion may not have been correct is "offensive." I'd be very interested to hear exactly why you think so? Perhaps you thought I said "phallacious," which would be something else entirely.
the guy pointed out clear relationship
Part of my point was that jonnyQ failed to provide the "clear relationship" you mention. Granted, he told us that one event followed the other, however please note that chronology is not the same thing as cause and effect. Other than the close proximity of the two events, there is no evidence that one caused the other.
And if you think about it, it really makes no sense to assert that Google would ban a site from the SERPs for violating (or reportedly violating) the Adsense TOS. One has little to do with the other. A site could post text asking users to click the ads. This is in clear violation of the Adsense TOS and makes the site eligible for (and deserving of) having their Adsense account canceled. This does not, however, mean that the site would no longer be a relevant result for a search on its keywords.
Also, think for a moment in whose interest Google is acting in each scenario. In Adsense, Google is acting in the advertiser's interest, since they are ultimately footing the bill. In this case, dropping a fraudulent (or possibly fraudulent) publisher from the Adsense program is beneficial to the advertisers because it prevents theft and lost money.
In the natural search results, however, Google is acting in the interest of the searchers, without whom the advertisers would not be willing to pay. For the reasons outlined above, dropping an Adsense violater (or possible violater) from the SERPs does not serve in the interest of the searchers.
Nothing happens without a reason
Agreed! This does not, however, mean that the reason is easy to spot. Nor does it mean that we are incapable of making a mistake about what that reason is.
As much as I would like to trust jonnyQ when he says that his site was squeaky-clean, the body of past evidence (see Macro's reference in the first thread to previously 'outed' webmasters who claimed innocence but had, in fact, violated Adsense TOS) is working against him. Either way --innocent victim or purposeful violater-- there is little evidence or logic behind the claim that being dropped by Adsense has an influence on the SERPs.
Please don't post such offensive nonsense - this guy suffered enough, to be kicked even further...
Forgive me here, but I just re-read my post and I do not see anything mean-spirited, cruel or unkind in it. Certainly disagreeing doesn't strike you as kicking behavior?
Shame on you, createErrorMsg!
cEM
Perhaps you thought I said "phallacious"
LOL
I thought yours was an excellent, well considered, and brilliantly argued post, createErrorMsg. It was one of those rare, erudite arguments that makes webmasterworld the place it is. The only thing it lacked is the sardonic, sarcastic, dismissive or derisive comment I would have been tempted to inject ;). But, going by the above quote, there is still hope for you! :)
>>You are very wrong, man!
Kinitz, you are entitled to that opinion, of course. It would help if you told us why you think there is a connection between the two events.
I don't believe there is a relationship between being suspended from AdSense and ranking issues in the natural Google serps. If there was, no publisher would dare sign up for AdSense.
May well just be coincidence.
OR if not, then it may had something to do with bad SEO practises like word stuffing and/or hidden text, redirects etc. This may explain the drop from both, the adsense program and from the serps.
The site may have hit a filter and guess what, it had adsense code on the pages in question. Penalize both.
I think it is only logical to assume that pages which carry adsense code would go under double the amount of spam filters check.
My 2 cents...
