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I received the check from Google on Nov.14 and went to the bank on Nov.15 to ask them collect the money for me.Usually the money will be credited into my saving account 30 days later, in this case it will be around Dec.15. So by now the banks are still in the process of collecting money.
As Google shut my account down today on Dec.03, just forget about the remaining fund in Google which have not yet sent to me, I am wondering if I am able to get the moeny for the check I have received on Nov.14?
Are there anybody had such experience?
[edited by: Yangtze at 4:43 am (utc) on Dec. 3, 2004]
I certainly did not do that.
I figure that it my because I opened the account by the laptop in my office, and my staff whose PC use the same Internet network clicked on the ads accidentally.
Last month, my oldest son(16) was on his wireless laptop and I showed him a new forum I had put up. Hi looked at it and he was typing on AIM and clicked OUT from the AIM box and RIGHT ONTO my AD on there. I SAW IT! I just about pooped a purple twinkie WITH CREAM FILLING and was all mad at him telling him that I might be discontinued from G cuz of this. I was way woarried, but it's now been around one month ago. I was thinking if I should have told G about it. (shrugs) I am still worried about it
I guess the point is that we are all paranoid that ONE click might invalidate us. I see it all over this board
joined:Oct 27, 2001
Once again, "Invalid clicks" comes up. This has to be the hottest topic right? Why Why WHY can't G just invalidate the INVALID clicks? I am just thinking outloud.
For the same reason they don't just ignore attempts to subvert their search index: Without a deterrent, shady Webmasters have no incentive to behave themselves.
Few days I got my first cheque ever:) (190$)
[edited by: Jenstar at 11:07 pm (utc) on Dec. 3, 2004]
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Without a deterrent, shady Webmasters have no incentive to behave themselves.
I would think not getting paid for the invalidated clicks would be a pretty decent deterrent. I understand the need for cancelling shady webmasters accounts, but there really is no good reason that I can see, why we can't at least be protected from ourselves from accidents like he described. I am extremely careful about never accidentally clicking on an ad, but it is a bit silly to have to be placed in the position of being outrageously paranoid about it. I've broken out into a sweat when I've come anywhere near an ad with my mouse.
Or if you have a static IP address, just block it.
If you have kids and they like your website they might be inticed to click them, with hosts it becomes a none issue.
Why Why WHY can't G just invalidate the INVALID clicks?
They do. Clicks that are flagged as fraudulent are not deducted from the advertiser's account and revenue is not given to the Adsense Account Holder - (again, that's from the horses mouth ... not alluding to the physical features of your staff G.)
There are many fraud detection systems on Adsense but you can take it from me TonysDesigns, even if your click was spotted as fraudulent and the revenue was therefore deducted from your account - if Google have not contacted you before you get your cheque for that month, you can stop worrying.
Plus Google wouldn't want the adwords advertiser to percieve they're dealing with that much fraud.
They've conquered this problem by not informing the Adwords Advertiser in 99% of cases. The majority of fraudulent clicks are automatically detected, therefore the system doesn't charge the account in the first place.
I can tell my experience: after discovery of google, I showed it to a customer (I'm consulent) and he placed adsense in each page of his 1000 pages portal.
well: he has an average CPM of 3,56 USD, with ctr always over 1,5%. I suppose (and I saw it) he clicks his own adsense. This is for at least 6 months, and always received payments. Also sometime he gets 6,7.. even 20 USD CPM!
When you say someone gets banned, what are you talking about: 100$/month, 1000$/month or over?
My customer earned about 1200$ in 6 months.
joined:Dec 29, 2003
My customer stole about 1200$ in 6 months.
To be safe, do not log in to google in a shared-internet enviroment. And to be even safer, never attempt to click fraud. It's not worth the risk. What if you made a website in the future that was very popular? Half of my profits comes from google, they're definitly a company you don't want to be banned from.
joined:Oct 27, 2001
Click fraud is a big and growing concern. Eventhough you may think Google has some really high tech way of preventing this, they really don't. So they usually ban accounts as a way to lower click frauds. Banning prevents anyone from attempting to click fraud again.
Actually, it doesn't: It merely prevents click fraud by publishers. It does nothing to prevent click fraud by other people.
Example: My account has received several thousand questionable clicks (i.e., clicks above the normal level) in the past day and a half or so. Since I didn't do the clicking, I can only assume that the clicks are the result of mischief or--more likely--the work of an advertiser who's trying to suck money out of other advertisers' accounts either to hamper his competitors or to obtain a better ad position for certain keywords.
Fortunately for Google, most people who cheat with AdSense probably aren't that bright. The average mope who clicks on his own ads or turns a clickbot loose on his competitors' ads is likely to be foiled by the sample fact that heavy clicking (i.e., enough clicks to earn worthwhile income or drain a competitor's account) is going to be noticeably above the norm.
It's quite simple. If you think that your kids/you may have clicked on an advert by mistake, email Adsense support and warn them. This happened to me a couple of months ago; I found my dear daughter playing on our computer, clicking all over the screen on one of my sites. I mailed Adsense and they were fine.
I really think that google will not ban you for a couple of clicks from the same IP from where you manage the account.
Do you think that google doesn't know of AOL, FASTWEB or other big providers which give the same IP at 1 milion of people at the same time? Think of Vodafone: all Italian People with 1 only IP address. And they are all business men. Will google ban them?
[edited by: engine at 11:33 am (utc) on Jan. 14, 2005]
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I guess the point is that we are all paranoid that ONE click might invalidate us.
Yes, it can.
Yes it can, but most often it won't. I have read elsewhere (and even known) of a couple folks who do shady google business for a few hundred bucks a month and seem to have gotten away just fine for the last 6 months. And that's just those who are boastful enough to write about it. Most who may be doing such deeds hide in the shadows. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how to circunvent whatever protection may be in place.
As someone else pointed out on this thread, you'd like to think G has these really fancy tracking systems to catch click fraud, but it's just like the increased search of old ladies at the airport after 9/11... and anyone who thinks that does anything is deluded.
So to everyone who's worried sick about getting banned over one lousy click... well, I just picture everyone's emails about 'please dont ban me, my kid clicked my own ad' going to the 'trash can' over at Google's. Even from a business practice, it's counter productive for Google to follow up on all the thousands of such emails they receive a day.
Having said that, you won't find me clicking ever on my own ads :)...