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My Host Did it to My Site, Now is that Allowed to USe Two Adsense IDS

         

dhaliwal

6:47 am on Nov 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hi Everyone.

My Host Did a bad act, he knew that i was earning good money frm adsense, and he changed the publisher id of my adverts with his adsense publisher id.

I noticed it a few days back, and had a big fight with him, and he also confessed that he did it for nearly 10 days starting 1 nov.

Now today he told me that his account for adsense was closed for voilations of TOS.

I didn't complain against him, in fact we did nothing on that front, but just a fight with him.

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Can anyone tell why his account was closed?

It is illegal to use two publisher IDs on one website?

Regards
Dhaliwal

Jenstar

7:06 am on Nov 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>> Can anyone tell why his account was closed?

That would be confidential between Google and the publisher.

>> It is illegal to use two publisher IDs on one website?

No.

Contact Google. You could have your account suspended for being associated with this suspended publisher. Explain to them what happened with your host. Perhaps they were doing it to other publishers as well, and one of them reported your host to AdSense and Google suspended him.

dhaliwal

7:16 am on Nov 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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jenstar,
Do you mean i should report about him to google team also?

JohnKelly

4:27 pm on Nov 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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1) Report what your web host did to Google AdSense support.

2) Transfer your domain(s) and change web hosts.

Do these steps immediately, in that order. It is inexcusable what this host did.

Macro

9:16 pm on Nov 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>> It is illegal to use two publisher IDs on one website?

No.

I know it's not "illegal" but I thought it was against Adsense TOS. If Jenstar says it not that's good news for me. I was considering running something along those lines for a brief period. Jenstar?

[edited by: Macro at 9:23 pm (utc) on Nov. 13, 2004]

HughMungus

9:18 pm on Nov 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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1) Report what your web host did to Google AdSense support.
2) Transfer your domain(s) and change web hosts.

Do these steps immediately, in that order. It is inexcusable what this host did.

I think I would do this in the reverse order to prevent the host from trying to get back at him for reporting him.

seogrrl

10:31 pm on Nov 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Sorry.... dense brain here. You CAN show someone elses code on your site? I can have jims code on page one and my code on page two?

I can show jims ad on the top of page three and my ad at the bottome of page 3?

Doesn't the persons who's ad is on the site have to be in control of the site itself?

Thanks.

SEOGrrl.

Jenstar

10:40 pm on Nov 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I know it's not "illegal" but I thought it was against Adsense TOS. If Jenstar says it not that's good news for me. I was considering running something along those lines for a brief period. Jenstar?

Technically, no it is not against the TOS. There are sites running "share your AdSense revenue" type of programs, particularly on message boards. (ie. If you start the thread and enter your publisher ID, your AdSense would show 50% of the time, with the message board owner running his own AdSense the other 50% of the time).

That said, I wouldn't touch this scheme with a ten foot pole ;) And I wouldn't recommend anyone else do this either. There is too much potential for a single bad publisher who happened to be posting on a particular message board to take down many publishers - or at the very least, the message board owner - because so many accounts are associated with a single URL. And there is definitely the potential for fraud.

Contact AdSense

I would let AdSense know of the situation. If your host had his publisher account suspended, it could take down your own account by association. I am surprised there is not a block on your domain preventing you from running your own AdSense, unless you removed it prior to the host being suspended from AdSense.

ncw164x

10:44 pm on Nov 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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This is also confusing me?

I was under the impression you could only have one login therefore you are given your unique publisher ID number

Now OK there are companies who administer other people's sites so they do have access to more than one publisher ID number but why would you want another ID number on your site when any clicks would not be credited to yourself?

Or is it a case of putting your ID number on their site so you get the credit, bit naughty really gaining from another site which you don't own but just administer and then you could be reported to google for doing the same as the first poster complained of

<added>Explained by jenstar in the time it took me to type my comment<added>

Jenstar

10:59 pm on Nov 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I should also add that the vast majority of publishers using AdSense on message boards find the CTR incredibly low, so the risk is not worth the few clicks you might receive.

jimbeetle

11:12 pm on Nov 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Technically, no it is not against the TOS. There are sites running "share your AdSense revenue" type of programs, particularly on message boards. (ie. If you start the thread and enter your publisher ID, your AdSense would show 50% of the time, with the message board owner running his own AdSense the other 50% of the time).

Just because there are sites doing it doesn't meen that it's allowed. Technically, this would appear to be totally against the Adsense ToS where code must be "pasted directly into Web pages." There doesn't seem to be much wiggle room for scripts or ad-serving programs.

Jenstar

11:27 pm on Nov 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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scripts or ad-serving programs

They have never had a problem with this, unless in results in the javascript being altered in any way at all.

I should probably clarify that I asked Google specifically about the sharing AdSense revenue message board scripts out there, and they said it was within the terms to use it.

I still wouldn't touch it, within the terms or not :)

nosense

4:40 pm on Nov 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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What host did this? Name, no url please. I'm sure it would be helpfull for all WebMasterWorld viewers to know, so they stay far far away.

dhaliwal

5:05 pm on Nov 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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i am still not sure that i should report him to adsense team.

As he might have been kicked out due to some other reason.

As many of you say that two publisher ids can reside on one site, i don't think google booted him to do such things on my site.

He has asked the adsense team about the reason for his dismal, i hope he gets reply on monday, and if it has nothing to do with my site, i will better keep shut on the issue.

but at the moment i am very confused about what to do

bose

5:17 pm on Nov 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If your host replaced your publisher ID with his own to steal your adsense revenue, it makes no sense for you to cut him a slack. It is theft -plain and simple.

He edited your content without your approval. How could you be sure that he will not "edit" your content again and put something real bad on your pages? Endless possibilites...

but at the moment i am very confused about what to do

Your safest bet is to move your site out of there asap, and then turn this clown in.

dhaliwal

6:41 pm on Nov 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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yes i know
and i have ordered a new dedicated server.
i am not concerned about future of the site, or if in future he will do it.

I am worried as his account got cancelled.

I was thinking of its effect on my account

Jenstar

6:47 pm on Nov 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I was thinking of its effect on my account

Which is why you should contact them, before they contact you first with a warning or suspension.

RobinK

1:04 am on Nov 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I totally agree, I would contact them, tell them what happened and what you are doing to remedy the situation. You are not doing it to "tattle" on him, but to save your own account. If the situation were reversed, I am sure he wouldnt hesitate to turn you in! Plus if he has already been cancelled you aren't hurting him anyway.

If you wait till you get a dreaded email it might be too late!

FromRocky

4:17 am on Nov 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Technically, no it is not against the TOS.

I think Jenstar has missed one important point as shown in bold letters below.

AdSense TOS:

13. ...(b) You are the owner of each Site or that You are legally authorized to act on behalf of the owner of such Site(s) for the purposes of this Agreement and the Program

Thus,

As many of you say that two publisher ids can reside on one site, i don't think google booted him to do such things on my site.

may not be the case. Does the host have this type of authorization on your site and other publishers'sites?

JuniorOptimizer

6:28 pm on Nov 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I was helping a friend setup a template that I created on his new domain.

I inadvertently left my AdSense code in the template. For a few days he and I were confused that no ads would display. Then it dawned on me what happened. We hit refresh a great number of times and still no ads.

We replaced my code with his code and began hitting refresh. At this point we moved the corrected website to a new IP address, hit refresh, and had instant perfect targeting.

It sure LOOKED like the code was locked for being from the wrong publisher.

johncr

4:22 pm on Nov 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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dhaliwal,

I just saw your post. You are not alone. My friend suffered such an attack on her Affiliate scripts. After helping her I coded a php script to check my pages with AdSense ads and thought you and others might be interested.

Since the code is free avilble in an empty site without links, I hope i'm not breaking any rules in this forum for posting the URL.

<snip>

Hope it helps.

[edited by: Jenstar at 10:52 pm (utc) on Nov. 26, 2004]
[edit reason] Sorry, no promotional URLs [/edit]

kenni

10:21 pm on Nov 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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dhaliwal, hmm... i didn't read all the posts but i didnt think you mentioned the host..

would it be possible to mention the host name? so we all can watch out for them?

bose

12:34 am on Nov 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hello Johncr

Welcome to Webmasterworld!

Take it easy, mate! IMHO, your post was edited by a moderator simply because this forum's TOS does not allow posting of URLs etc. Don't take it personally -that's how this forum operates.

Once again, welcome aboard!

jouwpagina

11:37 am on Nov 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It's possible that your Host was suspended due to another cheat. Because of his behaviour, I think he's also clicking on his own ads, he is using auto-click progs, etc.

But I should inform Google about this case. Maybe you can get his money (don't think so:))

bts111

11:56 am on Nov 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Contact Google as soon as possible.

Explain your situation and be honest. I have found that if you are honest with Google, they will be honest with you ; )

In relation to the dog of a hosting owner, he sounds exactly that, a dog.

What happens when you lie down with dogs? You end up with fleas!

Get out of there and don't go back.

Adsense is one of the best cash cows on the net. Don't risk your account for anything. That is if you are wanting to buy a Ferrari ; )

Good Luck!

Dabu The Dragon

1:00 pm on Dec 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I totally agree with bts111. For whatever reason I sense that you and your crooked host are friends. Well with friends like that ...

dhaliwal

6:38 am on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Well
Thanks to almighty that my account had no troubles.

And i won't tell the name of that host

I just want to forget all that.

Infact, he was a kind of friend, but no more after the day i found he was such a cheat.

I have seen lot of cheats, but this one was a one of its kind.
Infact, i prefer dacoits then cheats. Cause he have guts to face, cheats don't have that in them.

Dhaliwal

morpheus83

9:49 am on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Dhaliwal,
Maybe he is lying in order to cool things up.