Page Rank related to EPC

i think thats what it is

[blue_eagle]

I know that this issue has been discussed lots of times. However, I would like to tell my story and perphaps it is right estimation of epc.

I have one site that i earn very good epc and PR 5. So i decided to open a new one with smilar content and I did.

It has been about 1 month and still 10 of the pages have been crawled by google and i have a PR 0.

My new site is a niche site (only related to high paying keywords) while my old site has many content and that high paying content is only part of it.

I get more clicks on my new site than my PR 5 site. However, while my PR 5 site gets really good $$ for each click my PR 0 site gets only couple cents for each click.

I don't know maybe it is just a guess but I think that something is realted to Page Rank..

I would appreciate any comments or experiences

Thanks

[PatrickDeese]

I have a site that was never crawled by google that got traffic from Y! and other search engines but makes several dollars per click from adsense.

So, no, I don't think PR has anything to do with it - this site was grey barred.

[gmac17]

I've seen a very nice click come from one of my PR0 sites.

I think the bigger piece of it is how people come to your site - google knows if the came via google, yahoo or a link from another site.

I bet if you ran a test of a friend searching for your site, and clicking an ad v.s. just showing up and clicking it would be evident.

that would be against the TOS of course.....

[blairsp]

what about if someone goes from a google search to page one, then clicks an internal link and goes to page two. Then clicks the google ad. Is adsense then penalising someone because they have got good content and are "sticky".

[b0rdslide]

I always thought the EPC amount was "Earnings per 1000 impressions" which would follow the industry standard for banner advertising. That also ties up pretty well with the number of impressions, CTR and overall earnings I see on my adsense reports.

[ronin]

b0rdslide> EPC is Earnings per 100 clicks

Have all of you decided that Smart Pricing is no longer a factor then?

[b0rdslide]

Oops, had got it mixed up with Effective CPM.

[MrAnchovy]

I think the bigger piece of it is how people come to your site - google knows if the came via google, yahoo or a link from another site.

They know nothing of the sorts.

And since they don't track outgoing links, like Yahoo, they don't even know if the visitor found your site through their own search engine.

I suppose they could make a guess at whether or not you came from their own search engine or not, but that's all it would be, a guess.

Now, if the surfer had the Google Toolbar installed they might be able to accurately track the path of the visitor.

[loanuniverse]

They know nothing of the sorts.

Are you sure? I am not a programmer by any stretch of the imagination, but I can see how google could find out who the visitors are and where they are coming from because we pasted some code in our pages.

[MrAnchovy]

but I can see how google could find out who the visitors are and where they are coming from because we pasted some code in our pages.

Understandable that many may think that, but the referring URL that gets passed to Google when the javascript is loaded, is your URL, not the page that lead the visitor to your site.

The only way they could accurately know is if the Google Toolbar is installed & if it tracks the surfer... of which I highly doubt it does track to the extent of having any impact on the value of an AdSense click.
I use Firefox, so I admit I'm not totally on the up & up when it comes to the toolbar (so anyone feel free to jump in and correct me if I'm wrong), but I'm of the understanding that any tracking it does is by group/site... not tracking and logging each individual's path across the web.

[PatrickDeese]

It has been theorized that if the adwords advertiser uses Google's conversion tracking, and your adsense click results in a conversion - you will get better earnings.

Any other speculation is... well speculation.

[loanuniverse]

Understandable that many may think that, but the referring URL that gets passed to Google when the javascript is loaded, is your URL, not the page that lead the visitor to your site.

How is the adsense tracker script {a third party application} able to capture the referral urls?

[MrAnchovy]

How is the adsense tracker script {a third party application} able to capture the referral urls?

Because it's not really a third party app in the sense of where it run from. It's run on your site, from your site, and the data is stored & processed on your site/server.
Any script running on your own site would obviously have access to your own page referrals.

But even if it was run on a third party server, like AdSense is in relation to your own site, you could pass the referral on to the other site if you wanted to, to achieve the same tracking effects... but the key factor there is that it's something you do & have control over, not something the script could do on it's own without your approval.