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I can't surpass .4 CTR!

         

webmastertexas

4:46 am on Oct 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Bloody. I can't seem to surpass .4 CTR. I swear. Anyone have better luck? Did you do anything to pick up the CTR? wanna share with the rest of the class? :)

AZEvil

4:51 am on Oct 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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What type of site do you have? Shopping, information, forums? Typically forums have a horrible CTR. If you do not have a forum site, try changing colors, ad formats, and ad location. Feel free to sticky me your domain(s) and I can give you a couple of tips to increase the CTR.

morpheus83

4:54 am on Oct 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yes if a majority of your traffic is made up by repeat visitors then I doubt it can increase.

dvduval

4:59 am on Oct 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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You might try a little variety:
1) Different Colors
2) Different Placement on Page
3) Different Ads (besides adsense on some days)

Variety is one of the keys to getting repeat visitors to actually look at the ads.

webmastertexas

4:59 am on Oct 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Repeat visitors, but every page with an Adsense banner are original content. I run a movie site, and 99% of the pages with adsense are movie reviews. I.e. Very different topics all the time. A lot of movie ads, yes, but also a lot of ads that fits the subject of the movie at hand. And I did all the ad thing -- different shapes, sizes, etc. Still, can't pass that bloody .4!

AZEvil

5:17 am on Oct 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I always notice a lower CTR on pages that give the visitor all of the information they want. If you did a good job on your site, your visitors may just never feel the need to click on the ads. Depending on the purpose of your site, the people coming to it may never be in a purchasing mood...which means they would not be interested in clicking ads. I found it helpful to get a script that tracks visitors and the ads that are clicked on. Since I was able to see which ads interested my visitors, I could tweak the content to get more of that ad to show up. Sometimes there's just nothing that can be done to get a better CTR. I have forums that get alot of repeat visitors...with a CTR of less than .01%.

webmastertexas

5:21 am on Oct 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I've never gone out of my way to "tweak" my contents. As I mentioned, it's a movie reviews site, so you know, what's there has to do with the movie. I never consider putting keywords all over the review because that would, you know, taint the integrity of my movie reviews. Hmm, maybe that explanation answers my own question...?

Jenstar

6:32 am on Oct 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Did you experiment with different ad units, and different colors?

david_uk

6:36 am on Oct 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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What worked for me was to change the skyscraper on the right of the page for a medium rectangle banner at the start of the second paragraph - effectively near the centre of the page. My CTR trebled, but wasn't as low as .4 even beforehand.

I would say that adsense simply didn't work on some of my pages, despite the content being good quality information. The ads were there, but people just didn't click on them. I have since removed it from these pages, concentrating adsense onto pages where people do click through. It might be worthwhile to have a play with this. My main site index page generates the vast majority of the income in my case.

It's sort of interesting to hear an American using the word "Bloody" as a swear word in the context us Brits use it. A freind of mine in MA told me once that you Yanks didn't use it as a swear word.

sem4u

7:37 am on Oct 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I always notice a lower CTR on pages that give the visitor all of the information they want.

Spot on IMO :)

adfree

7:58 am on Oct 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Blending the unit in and use another one at the end of rich content (after scrolling, reading) works for me.

david_uk

8:05 am on Oct 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Also, I know you want image ads on your site, but it's worth trying the text only type to see if they work better - they did for me.

david_uk

9:41 am on Oct 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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> I always notice a lower CTR on pages that give the visitor all of the information they want.

Actually, thinking about this it's certainly true in my case.

The main index.htm page is where most of my revenue comes from, and it contains a couple of paragraphs of information about the site + site navigation bars. I get a healty CTR and income from this page. Whereas the FAQ page that *does* give all the info on the site's topic has a low CTR. Altering banner style, position etc doesn't improve it. It's still worthwhile having a banner there as I geat a decent number of clicks.

webmastertexas

2:03 pm on Oct 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It's sort of interesting to hear an American using the word "Bloody" as a swear word in the context us Brits use it. A freind of mine in MA told me once that you Yanks didn't use it as a swear word.

I tend to watch too many British movies. I sometimes go around using the word "brilliant!" to express anything I think is "cool", too. :) But thanks for the advice. I'm going to give the square box a try. Hey, it couldn't hurt, right? It's still just a lousy .4 CTR!

alika

2:04 pm on Oct 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Entertainment sites do poorly with CPC-based ads. You have the type of audience who simply wants to read the movie reviews on your site. Nothing more. They came specifically for your content.

They did not come because they think you may be able to help them with a product/resource that they need or are looking for. Unlike say a person who is looking for resources to finance a business, and stumbles on a page with the article "How to Finance a Business" with ads showing various financing sources. Or a person looking to buy a camera, and stumbles on a page of camera reviews with ads on cameras. These are the type of audience who is more likely to click on an ad -- resulting in good CTR for the publisher.

Your audience is not in a buying mindset. They came to be entertained. As such, it will be very difficult for you to increase your CTR to say 5-10% as others are enjoying because your content does not quite fit with Adsense.

You are better off with CPM-based ads where your earnings will be based more on your traffic, rather than your site's ability to generate a click action from a user.

loanuniverse

2:25 pm on Oct 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I agree with Alika. I would also like to add that the more complicated the subject {where the visitor at the very least would like to find out more, and at best is ready to buy would do better}

There is only so much that you want to know about a movie anyway, and I think that the studios that would be the #1 source of ads for this genre are enamored with “rich-media” ads, and I don’t blame them. It would seem that rich-media would work the best for this product.

DamonHD

6:17 pm on Oct 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hi,

I managed to get over 20% CTR on a new page and nearly had a fit, then realised it was only 5 clicks! Retirement put off a few more years... Bv<

I am consistently getting about 0.5% in the first ad unit, but also additional stuff in the remaining ad units that take it to maybe double that % I estimate, and still slowly improving. Nowhere near what some people report, but probably OK for a content site like mine from what I understand.

I am using a slowly rotating mix of ad styles to try to keep the page style fresh and stop people mentally cutting out the ads, but I'm no expert and probably other things are at work such as ad blockers zapping the more common formats, never mind the visitors' brains...

Rgds

Damon

hyperkik

11:46 pm on Oct 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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webmastertexas, it may not be you. We had a webmaster for a movie site in here some months ago, who had similar complaints and who ultimately gave up on AdSense in favor of a different banner network. I have some humor pages on my site, and the return from AdSense is poor and unlikely to ever be appreciable. For some types of content, AdSense isn't the best match.

nuevojefe

5:09 am on Oct 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>for some types of content...

I agree. AdSense trys to serve the most contextually related, but if you've got a college humor site you might kick a#$ with some credit card application aff links, etc, etc.

Placement is huge, try out lots of different things. It was the diff between 5%>>10%>>30%+

webmastertexas

5:16 pm on Oct 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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FYI:

Since implementing a new system (a square box in the middle of my articles and a small banner at the bottom) the impressions have almost doubled (makes sense, since there are now two Google ads on the pages) and my CTR has gone up to .6 and .8 in the last two days. Could this be because of the multiple ads? Hmm...

Atomic

5:43 pm on Oct 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Adding small, borderless ads in the center of my content especially where they blend in with links has tripled my CTR. I am having a lot more luck with ad units consisting of a single ad or maybe two than I was with leaderboards and skycrapers which is great in two ways because my site looks less cluttered with ads.

webmastertexas

10:37 pm on Oct 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Wow, what a difference! Here's what I've done: added square boxes in the middle of the article, using white so the borders don't show. Then I added an extra 486 banner below that. Again, white, so the banners doesn't show. In just three days, I've been getting .6 CTR for all 3 days! Hallelujah! LOL.