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mid $X,000 to $XX,000 would be extra damn good money for someone to make. Does this sort of money only come to the likes of giant well established sites, or can it happen in the right industry?
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rfung , What i said is i remember some post here which said there is a single page site with just some funny image that make 1k/day ...Its not that 1k/day that impressed me but that type of site thats making that much ...
Sorry but this is BS :)
Sorry but this is BS
I wouldn't be so easy to dismiss it. I know how much money I inadvertantly burned as an Adwords advertiser on a single page with a flash game (I was away at a conference and didn't check my campaigns). Since that one page sucked my daily budget dry for the entire campaign in short order, I can imagine it did the same for many other advertiser's campaigns that day (and for the week or so that it was depleting my entire budget until I was back).
So, yes, I would agree it is definitely possible, especially if it is getting the traffic.
Sorry but this is BS :)
No this is not BS...there is such a thing as viral traffic...as a matter of fact, I have been relying on it since November 2003 when I finally got fed up with search engines.
I receive WAY MORE traffic now than I ever did with search engines...and I used to get 5,000 uniques per day. One page sites with very viral content (flash game, funny image, etc.) will get passed around like wildfire.
-Patrick
Truer words were never spoken. Never keep your eggs in one basket. If you have one site making 10K a month, why not diversify and try and get 10 sites making 10K a month ;)
Seems like you still have all your eggs in one basket, the basket called Adsense. Wouldn't it be better to diversify income sources?
I'd rather be making 8k a month from 10 sources than 10k a month from 1 source (adsense). At least then I know that if the #*$! hits the fan my revenue would drop to 6k instead of 0.
I'd rather be making 8k a month from 10 sources than 10k a month from 1 source (adsense). At least then I know that if the #*$! hits the fan my revenue would drop to 6k instead of 0.
I'd rather be making 10K a month from one source. Then I'd know how to do it again and make 100K a month from 10 sources.
Here are my speculations -
140,000 total publishers (thin air)
5,000 publishers making greater than $1000 per month
$100 - Mean earnings per month (half of all publishers make $100 per month or less)
(loosely bell shaped)
$21 million Adsense payout per month
50% of all Adsense payout money goes to the top 4% of publishers
The distribution is probably more Poisson shaped, than Gaussian shaped, with a big bulge on the left - a lot of people who don't make very much. Then there is probably also a small bump on the right, indicating the privileged cognoscenti, who are huge Adsense publishers, and have knowledge that most of us know nothing about.
This is 30 minutes worth of speculation. I'll bet with more inputs, we can guess pretty close. I have thrown down the gauntlet. Hit me hard!
Which numbers seem the most whacked, to you? How would you change them?
Does anyone know a 'friend' who makes more than $10K a month?
As other members have observed that several members here have claimed to be a member of FedEx or will be one very soon. These do not included many who have reached this milestone but do not want to advertize their achievements. The reasons are many but here are some:
1. The income is a personal matter.
2. It's against AdSense's TOS to disclose earnings.
3. The site may be classified as a "Made for AdSense" site. AdSense's TOS states that one cannot create a site for the sole purpose of showing AdSense. This condition implies that the revenue from AdSense is just a secondary or supplement income. What do you call your site, once the revenue from the AdSense is so high (over $10K/mth) and becomes the main source of your income?
4. The AdSense's revenue is not stable and unreliable. It may be gone next month.
5. Disclosure of this high revenue may cause the other problems as I have seen on this forum.
These reasons have prevented many publishers talking about their high earnings.
This condition implies that the revenue from AdSense is just a secondary or supplement income. What do you call your site, once the revenue from the AdSense is so high (over $10K/mth) and becomes the main source of your income?
The logic that a site that exceeds $10,000/month is a "made for adsense" site is not necessarily true. There are sites built way back in the 90s -- waaaaay before adsense -- that are doing well in the program. These "old" sites are mostly authorities in their niche and knows how to make full use of programs such as adsense.
The statement may be true in some cases, but not true for all cases.
I receive WAY MORE traffic now than I ever did with search engines...and I used to get 5,000 uniques per day. One page sites with very viral content (flash game, funny image, etc.) will get passed around like wildfire.
Ahhh...great point. Here is a nother...much smaller example. My site has been down because of server problems, but the forums stayed because there were peopel who realy like them. Now...every person on that forum seemed to tell someone else they knew and so on...just from a few people I have gotten a ton of members...all from word of mouth pretty much. It's pretty nice...considering when I have all my content back up, and I make the forum search engine frinedly i'll have tons of pages indexed on google :D (Google actualy indexes my forums every day and they arn't even search egine frinedly...but tha tis for antoher post...and anyways i htink google dosen't give them much rank with those type of urls...)
The "one page with a funny image" was a joking reference to Google itself. Not saying it couldn't happen, but I don't think the writer was talking about an adsense site.
I dont think so , the poster said specifically about his friends one page site ...I am not sure its true but if true its impressive
Obviously, when you make that kind of revenue, you don't want to share that info. And obviously, when you make that kind of revenue, your site is purelly made for AdSense (the example of old site doing well in their niche, even though I have never seen one, must be 1 case out a thousand)
As in AM (and as it was during the gold rush to Yokon a century ago) there is a lot of dreaming, a lot of rumors and a lot of expectation in the air. The fact that the TOS forbid sharing revenue info just allows to maintain the clod surrounding adsense.
I believe that *any* publisher who puts in enough effort and who strives to publish quality, original content can hit that $40K figure. Granted, they might not get to publish on the subject of their choice, but there are many subjects (travel, personal finance, etc.) where there is a lot of money to be made.
that is totaly unfounded, and I wouldnt be surprised if it was written by a dude from google.
1) when you publish a subject that is not of your choice, I automatically label this site for adsense only, and let's not lie to each other; that's what it is.
2) I have noticed that I tend to look adsense ads ONLY when the contect sucks. And 99% of the made for adsense site use this startegy (maybe I shouldnt divulge these secrets here). If a content is good, I dont need to click on the ad, I already have it all in front of me.
There is nothing wrong with making a only for adsense site. Its a buisness like any other, and people gotta make a living. But I have a feeling that a bunch of people want the majority of publishers to believe that you can make money with good content. It looks like it's all really about SEO and cloning and automatic content generation.
But the system works perfectly this way. Advertisers are happy because you have a huge number of small time publishers with quality content showing their ads, and google is happy because you have a small numebr of internet wizes that drive the majority of clicks on adsense.
that's just the way the way the world turns.
So carefull before you bite into the hype.
I suppose, though, if you prefer, you can rationalize putting up bad content any way you want.
Anyways, don't get me wrong though. I think that for purelly content oriented sites (excluding product pushing, like reviews) Adsense is BY FAR the best program. When people read the web for fun, they are more likely to click a link and read some more, than actually click to make an instant purchase.
Google is doing a good job with adsense. I wish they shared the way they share the revenues with publishers though.
Obviously, when you make that kind of revenue, you don't want to share that info. And obviously, when you make that kind of revenue, your site is purelly made for AdSense (the example of old site doing well in their niche, even though I have never seen one, must be 1 case out a thousand)
Any site that is big enough can easily get over 10k if they just plonk the Adsense code in their site
I agree.
And to answer the original question - I have more than one friend in the Fed Ex Club though, I hasten to add, I am not quite there yet.
There are a lot of sites making that kind of money and it's not that difficult. If I did not have other commitments - like a full time job that I don't want to give up, my kids who demand a lot of my time etc - I reckon I could produce well in excess of $10K/month from Adsense alone.
And that is if I work at it just two full days a week.
Before the stickies pour in let me emphasise that ALL the knowledge required to produce those incomes was gained from Webmasterworld. ANYONE tempted to sticky me for a summary of what I've learnt WILL BE IGNORED because that knowledge can be gained by anybody else here if they are willing to put in the time and trouble.
Anyone only willing to work with shortcuts may not want my advice anyway as it is very much based on producing quality content (i.e. hard work).
There are a lot of sites making that kind of money and it's not that difficult. If I did not have other commitments - like a full time job that I don't want to give up, my kids who demand a lot of my time etc - I reckon I could produce well in excess of $10K/month from Adsense alone.
If you produce over 10K/month, you would make over 120 000$ / year, and, unless you have a pretty good full time job, just working for your site would be an EXCELENT option. Then, being your own boss, you could make your self work 35 hour weeks, and get more time for familly and leasure. It's only a win win situation.
Thus, when I hear I could but I dont, its a bit hard to believe.
Now, hypothetically, lets calculate how good of a site must be, in order to get 10k/month, using all HYPOTHETICAL figures.
conservativly, 1.00$CPM figure will be used, so per month, one will need 10 000 * 1000 = 10 000 000 ad prints. Very conservativly, we could say 1 ad print = 1 page print. That's some very good traffic, that would be hard to generate for a person building a content site alone.
So you need a site that has 10 000 000 page views a month. Or you need 10 sites, with 1 M page views each. If I use my site as reference, you would need to put up around 6 articles / week / site = 60 articles / week / for all sites.
Already, we are talking about a big venture, lots of bandwith, lots of organization.
That is why I am scared when people say "its easy".
I believe $1 CPM is low, even taking adsense as a whole, not just high earners. I believe there are very few individuals making 10k per month from adsense that are only getting $1 cpm.
It seems to me that most high earners have very high cpm, not necessarily a very high number of impressions. If you get $50 cpm you only need 200,000 impressions per month.
Having said that, I have a different calculation - my site that's being fed mostly through adwords, gives me way better than $1 cpm(as reported by adsense), in fact it's x0 orders of magnitude to that(x being a digit between 1-5 ;)).
$10k/month = $333/day.
Elsewhere I disclosed I might break $1k this month - that's $30/day or so (this is so puny I don't mind tellin), this is the combined revenues of 3 sites I have, 1 of them type A, two of them type B.
With that in mind, (and granted, with a big leap of faith in these calculations and also assuming these sites won't grow further..or die down) an aggregate 90 similar performing sites would yield me the fabled $10k/month.
If I don't get that kind of money a year from now, I'll consider myself a big whoppin failure ;)..getting close to the big 3-0 and I want to be retired.eheh
$120k/year for doing next to nothing..sweet life.
unless you have a pretty good full time job
Then, being your own boss ...
Thus, when I hear I could but I dont, its a bit hard to believe
If you get $50 cpm you only need 200,000 impressions per month.
That said I think there are tons of people making $10K. Not that it's easy, but I have a small/medium-sized website that is not made for adsense (or even very good for adsense) with puny CPC and puny CTR that already makes a signficant chunk (but less than half) of the $10K mark.
Point - just because people make 10k per month on Adsense doesn't mean they are getting rich.
M
Show me a freelance writer (who understands how to do research without simply siphoning info from other web sites) with a couple hours a day to spend reading WebmasterWorld and working on sites, and I'll show you someone who can make that 10k mark in a year or two.
[edited by: Teshka at 12:02 am (utc) on Sep. 20, 2004]
If everyone revealed their identity you'd be stunned senseless at the "big" names who frequent this forum.
That is the best part about this forum:
1. We can discuss topics and strategies openly, because its all about widgets instead of our actually niches
2. I, just starting out, can have an arguement with someone making $300k a year on some trivial web development point. If we all showed our names with our posts the big dawgs would be driven away by 10,000 private messages asking questions.
It seems odd that so many people are blown away at 10k a month when the obvious item that isn't brought up is that 10k isn't the net income in all cases. A lot of webmasters make 100k per month but spend nearly all of that on advertising or other costs.
I think it's implied that it's $10k profit. As yourself pointed out, there wouldn't be a topic if I were to say I make $1,000,000 a year...
(oh yeah, I spend $999,999 in adwords.)
Okaaaayy....good..for..you...
now lets talk about someone who makes $1 mil profit.
:)
now lets talk about someone who makes $1 mil profit.
You can talk about people making 1 mil all you want, I'm waiting for people making 1 mil to talk back :)
considering how much dicussion and conjectures there is over Google's algos without any proof, nor big G talking back, well, I wouldn't be surprised if such a topic would actually take hold :)
