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Why it takes too long for G to approve the payments

         

blue_eagle

2:49 am on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Do they go after each account and check if there is something wrong? Accounting stuff? or what?

Chico_Loco

3:09 am on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It could be for several reasons. In actual fact, I think this kind of stuff is done by Google in compared to some other experiences I have ad - you always know it'll be pretty much at your door within the 30 days they say.

A conspiracy theorist might suggest that they use this time to get interest on the money, but of course that would be perfectly normal business practice by todays standards.

Marcia

3:38 am on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Companies have to do final general journal entries (and adjustments) and close out their books to balance after month-end. That doesn't happen overnight. Then, some big companies (even smaller ones) outsource payroll processing to specialized companies, and that may be the case for ad revenues - so the transmission time and getting everything balanced out from an accounting perspective has a timeline to it. It even does when it's in-house.

It seems very normal to me.

ChrisKud5

3:53 am on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Companies have to do final general journal entries (and adjustments) and close out their books to balance after month-end. That doesn't happen overnight. Then, some big companies (even smaller ones) outsource payroll processing to specialized companies, and that may be the case for ad revenues - so the transmission time and getting everything balanced out from an accounting perspective has a timeline to it. It even does when it's in-house.
It seems very normal to me.

You will notice on the limited SEC statements google has filed that the figures associated with adsense are very comprehensive. Adsense does not record total ad figures on a per site or per aco**** basis for inclusion in financial statements. Sure they deal with more than 1 big number, but the process is not a month long stretch of basic accounting work.

Now that they are required by GAAP to produce audited external statements, the process may even take longer or have kind of a backlog while they iron out all other accounting activity this first public period.

My best guess would that the accountants over at Google are limited in number, and have pleanty of other tasks to deal with each month. The process could be done within 5 days after the periods ends, but they have other things to do. The Interest theory could very well come into play. Google has already recieved the payment for adsense ads, that could be sitting in the bank gaining interest while they hold out to pay publisher cuts until a majority of the next months ad revenue is in to keep the bank full and the interest flowing.

Google, like most other companies, would like to minimize its cash to cash cycle by waiting as long as possible to pay out accounts payable.

jonknee

5:24 am on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have always assumed it is the interest thing... Why not? If I had that much money to play with I would wait as long as possible. It would be nice if larger publishers could get speedier payments though (sort of a preferred club).

oldskool79

5:39 am on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Could this have anything to do with processing payments from Adwords advertisers before paying out Adsense publishers. I don't remember if you pay in advance or not when you advertise on Adwords, but I think it's afterwards.

Just a thought.

Marcia

5:50 am on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I don't know about anyone else around here, but I am not a horse dentist.

Outdoor

6:13 am on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Oldskool79, Google gets their adword money in advance via credit card. Then as it gets clicked up they grab some more.
So yes that gives them positive cash flow all the time. And the longer they delay payments, the more positive that cash flow.

MarkHutch

6:15 am on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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All I know and all that matters to us is that Google does pay and the check always clears the bank. I'm glad they offer Adsense to small sites. Before them, it was hard to find anyone that wanted to place ads on sites that didn't gererate 1 million impressions per month. :)

Marcia

6:18 am on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I really don't see what the problem is. They're in business to make money, they offered a deal that was NEVER before available to small publishers, and the people who joined agreed to their deal, with the conditions - including the payment schedule.

We have NO idea what their process is, and it's irrelevant. They keep their end of it flawlessly. I don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

howiejs

7:03 am on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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As long as its consistent - it doesnt bother me - I built it into my business model (just like if I was billing a client on nest 30 days . . .)

percentages

7:33 am on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>We have NO idea what their process is, and it's irrelevant. They keep their end of it flawlessly.

Marcia is correct. Your primary concern should be that you are paid fairly and within the constraints of the agreement.

Google is a tricky entity to deal with as they are overly secretive in how they pay......but if you don't like that, then go somewhere else!

For me Google is the bottom of the barrel, but eventually you have to scrape that and just live with the consequences or say no to the dregs at the bottom!

Jon_King

11:48 am on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Google's payment timing is inline with or better than most of our clients. It is quite common for our receivables to average between 30 and 60 days. They are well within that. I have no problem with the lag.

asinah

11:57 am on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Compared to other advertising and affiliate networks G pays fast and almost in time.

oldskool79

1:56 pm on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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We have NO idea what their process is, and it's irrelevant. They keep their end of it flawlessly. I don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

I would hardly call Adsense a gift. Remember, every dollar Google sends you is a dollar (or more) you earned for them. There is nothing wrong with being concerned with their payment policy and keeping them accountable for paying in a timely manner. They owe it to us - we are the ones that built a large portion of their business.

alika

2:21 pm on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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keeping them accountable for paying in a timely manner.

But they are paying in a timely manner. There may have been a snaffu at one time, but it is still way better than this other ad network that pays net 90 days.

FromRocky

2:43 pm on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I claimed to be a member of FedEx Club but at the same time tried to criticize everything Google is doing. If Google stop paying me, I will cry.

blue_eagle

3:31 pm on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Soo it is just bcuz of the money stuff that they wait that long?

Rodney

4:15 pm on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Soo it is just bcuz of the money stuff that they wait that long?

No one knows what the wait is for.

As many have attested to, it's not a very long wait at all when you are talking about advertising companies.

Jon_King

4:24 pm on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>it's not a very long wait at all when you are talking about advertising companies.

It's not long at all compared to any company.

Rodney

5:43 pm on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It's not long at all compared to any company

Well, that's a bit broad of a statement to say any company.

There are some vendors I work with that pay net 5 or net 15. Even fastclick pays exactly 20 days after the end of the month (which is a bit faster than google).

Still, it's better than most.

Jon_King

4:17 pm on Aug 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I definitely over stated that, but you get the drift... Google has to fall into the 'good pay' category by most accountants’ perspective.

>>It's not long at all compared to any company

I should have said, It's not long at all compared against the average of all companies combined.

dertyfern

4:47 pm on Aug 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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How many of us would remove adsense if they delayed their payments even more, not me. however, on their end, there's value is holding on to cash and thus delaying it for a couple of weeks is just good business.

I must say that they're heads and above many other affiliate program payouts where one may wait in excess of 90 days, travel for example due to the timing of the hotel/airfare reservation. And when you have to absorb advertising expenses upfront to get the revenue paid out in 90+ days, it becomes a serious business consideration you have to plan for not to mention painful.