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I have kept some years an average site without any advertising, with ~6 million pageviews/month, recently added adsense and very happy with the results, but with fear to receive the dreamed mail (kick me) like some webmasters that they say been "good boys".
BTW now I think only small sites or huge CTR/CPC alert google team, anybody can share with us more info about our site (like pageview, CTR...) if you kicked off from adsense? I know share some info is breaking of TOS, but webmasters already kickoff (unjustly) CAN do and this can be helpful for discover more about mystery of "fraudulent clicks".
why not continue this conversation in one of the many recent threads about the same topic?
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I open this why i see others reports but no useful *numbers* (like CTR, CPC, pageviews, time in adsense...)
For one thing, it's against Google's terms of service to reveal specific figures.
Rodney, thanks for warning, I already have seen this topic, but I open this why i see others reports but no useful *numbers* (like CTR, CPC, pageviews, time in adsense...)
I would be happy to give you figures for myself but they wouldn't be of any use to you as I didn't have that number of pv's in 10 years never mind per month
For one thing, it's against Google's terms of service to reveal specific figures.
I know but google cannot can kick out same webmaster two times, I asked for for only webmasters already kickout (unjustly) to share our info with us :)
I would be amazed if anyone got kicked out with those kind of numbers of PV's without a high level investigation or unless it was incredibly obvious that real fraud(not just fraudulent clicks) was going on. Don't think you have much to worrry about.I would be happy to give you figures for myself but they wouldn't be of any use to you as I didn't have that number of pv's in 10 years never mind per month
Iam just a common webmasters, i dont premium, and i have asked some things for suport and received e-mails like automated responses like anyone...
Upon termination of participation of any Site in the Program or termination of this Agreement for any reason, Sections 3, 6 through 10, and 14 through 17 shall survive termination.
In other words, even after a publisher's participation in AdSense is terminated, the confidentiality agreement still continues. Like any agreement you make, it's up to you whether to abide by it, but consider the possible legal ramifications of violating the terms of a contract with an entity with deep pockets.
See the bbc website for further detaisl about the breakign news.
Is it against the TOS here to violate the AdSense TOS, even post facto? It should be.
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I follow TOS religiously, but if I been kicked without do nothing wrong, google get cash dont already sent, why follow TOS after kicked?
They are certainly the most "high handed" company in the history of business.
perceive to be false clicks
Exactly, and that is why it could happen to absolutely anyone even the Adsense worshippers. Perception truely is in the eye of the beholder, no proof-just a hunch.
Perfect!
Anyone in web can do bad things for big eye of google see.
Adsense worked for our website perfectly. On our side it would have been insane to do something to harm our adsense income. They kept all of this months money (which is a lot) and ditched us. And they didn't do that even classy. No explanations, no nothing.
It's strange that a company of this magnitude doesn't have the ability to filter off the invalid clicks. There are clicking robots, which they have said they can eliminate from calculations. But if there's even ONE guy who wants to eliminate your business with Google, he can do it and that's that.
This is a big flaw in Adsense.
People are getting aggravated not just because they have lost a lot of money, but also because it is a humiliating experience to get kicked out of the program and being accused of fraud.
Adsense is going to fall big time if they aren't going to improve their system and communication abilities towards a more humanly direction.
Too good to be true.
I'm going out on a limb here, but I wonder how much of a role other factors (besides the invalid clicks themselves) play in Google's decision on whether to keep a site or close the owner's account. E.g., things like conversion rate, monthly revenues, age of the account, nature of the site's content, whether the site is on a topic that attracts high-dollar keywords, the publisher's country of residence, whether the site uses aggressive SEO techniques, etc.
And this is exactly what I mean: it is a shame to be eliminated from Adsense. If you see a totally strange guy on the street and someone says (maybe someone you would normally trust) "that guys is a shoplifter", you will believe that. Why wouldn't you?
And so again, as "europeforvisitors" spontanious attitude towards my message proofs, you are guilty before proven otherwise. And since the "otherwise" cannot be produced by Google, there's nothing much you can do about it.
First, welcome to WW.
Sadly we see quite a few posts like yours here. Like EFV said, without being able to see the sites in question, or having access to more info, it's really hard to figure out if there is a pattern or category or certain factors that increase risk.
What sites, if any, are at greater risk. Who knows?
Between folks desire to have their sites remain unknown to others here and the Adsense TOS, commenting is really just pure speculation.
And so again, as "europeforvisitors" spontanious attitude towards my message proofs, you are guilty before proven otherwise
Nobody said you're guilty of anything. In any case, Google is a business, not a court of law or an entitlement program, and it doesn't have to prove a publisher guilty before closing an account. The publisher has the right to break off the relationship at any time, and so does Google.
To put it another way, the publisher is a vendor and Google is the customer. If a customer feels unhappy with a vendor, the customer can leave. That's the way vendor-customer relationships work.
One person admitted that he had clicked his own ads. Another allowed someone using his own PC to access sites with his adsense code on it, which resulted in clicks.
The 8 sites that I saw - threads where the owner claimed to have been kicked out for "no reason" - *every one of them* had violated Google's T&C to varying degrees.
People like to whine when they get caught - but rarely do they admit they got caught doing Mickey Mouse 101 stuff that lead to them getting booted from the program.
Anyhow, I must admit that the idea of Adsense is really really good. After the first day, when I saw how much I was earning from it, I was stunned. There would be less of that "whining" if Adsense wasn't paying off that well in the first place. If you're booted from a program that is getting you money, you'll tend to be more aggravated than getting booted from a program that isn't doing that well.
Few people have said that maybe Google doesn't like sites that have high stats on clicks but doesn't lead to bying. In my case, that could be one reason. I have about 13.000 unique visitors a day and 100.000 page impressions. Most of them are girls from age 5 to 21. I would suspect that the youngest ones don't have credit cards and therefore they do less buying from the internet.
