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I think they are keeping all the money with themselves and we are only getting around 3 cents a click.
And there is nothing good in loosing a visitor for such a less amount.
We have dynamic website and are already having a good internal search engine, so don't need to giveaway visitors to google for so less.
I hope more webmasters will also stop using web search.
dhaliwal
i don't think google has any trouble in you showing adverts on the search that you make on your own website for your very own pages.
and Arubicus
how come you feel that one can use both of them? external as well as internal,
i don't think i have a search site, man i have a content site and i msut tell you that only 20 % of the people search on my site, others keep watching the pages, articles and news.
So i don't think i should encourage people on just keep searching on my site, let them enjoy there stay
My aim is that every visitor who comes to my site, should get what he wants, he should not be doing much of labour and search for things.
Thats why i think web publishers have related articles and topics of intrest listed on their dynamic websites.
Huh, I have nothing against web search, only thing is that they are paying quite less. I was also one of the persons who was waiting desperately to use web search, but with low cpc i am turned off.
Its awwwful that google keep so much on those clicks
Have you read it somewhere that one can't use adsense on search result pages?
This HAS changed according to the FAQ. Here's what it says:
"Google AdSense now will allow ads to be placed on search results pages through our Online AdSense Program.
Alternatively, Google WebSearch plus AdSense for search offers publishers the opportunity to provide search to their users, and to earn money from Google ads served to the search results pages. By simply adding a WebSearch box to any web page that meets our program policies, publishers can offer web search (and, optionally, site search) and benefit from Google-hosted, customizable, and monetized search results pages. For more information, please read the 'Getting Started' section of this FAQ."
But for those considering running two search services, one on site and one Google Websearch:
"We do not permit AdWords ads or search boxes accessing Google search services to be published on web pages that also contain what could be considered competing ads or services.
<snip>
If you have elected to receive Google search services, this would include other search services on the same site and non-Google query-targeted ads. "
You'd have to write them to clear up the difference between, say, putting the G-Search on one page but linking to a separate internal search on a page with no G-Search.
Hunter
"You'd have to write them to clear up the difference between, say, putting the G-Search on one page but linking to a separate internal search on a page with no G-Search."
"We do not permit AdWords ads or search boxes accessing Google search services to be published on web pages that also contain what could be considered competing ads or services."
Precicely! Ask google.
"I am only concerned about the payouts. and i think many people would be concerned," - dhaliwal
See my statement above. For some the payouts are just fine.
"I have two things different than you
I have not used web search from google before, i mean site search they used to provide earlier.
I have my own internal search engine which performs in a very good manner as far as search on my site is concerned.
SO INSTEAD OF USING WEB SEARCH I WOULD PREFER USING MY OWN SEARCH AND PUT ADSENSE ADVERTS ON TOP OF IT, i have Done it recently and have seen earnings grow by 20 %" - dhaliwal
I myself developed an internal search. I use it to cash in on a higher CTR myself.
You are still having the some of the same effect on your visitors. (log your clicks and you will see) You want them to easily get to your information but still offer links out. You have a bunch of text ads on your results that only has this ads by google logo to distinguish them from content. Even with a border around it, someone may mistake it. You are more willing to "confuse" ("My aim is that every visitor who comes to my site, should get what he wants, he should not be doing much of labour and search for things.") your visitor as long as you make more for doing it so don't give me that crap.
"my logs and have seen that many people click on ads and then even come back to my page after they find that they are on some other site."
You have some hell of a good logging system to be able to log user intent. Maybe they didn't like the appearance of the site they went to. Maybe thay didn't have what they were looking for. Maybe they were confused and maybe they weren't.
"And think about this---why does google prohibit publishers from carrying multiple ad blocks when they do the same on websearch? Why? ---->$$$." - ownerrim
How about abuse. I can think of 5 ways off the top of my head to abuse the use of multiple ads.
"Ads on websearch don't necessarily stand out as ads to many users--which means nonproductive clicks for adverstisers, which means lower ROI, and later lower bids and lower revenue for publishers. You don't have to be a genius to figure this out." - ownerrim
Would you feel better with a circle of blinking lights around it and a person on a megaphone yelling these are ads?
Transversly that little "ads by google" logo on our adsense ads do nothing to help distinguish them as ads either. Especially on skyscrapers when a user is in mid content and happens to look over. But you are ok with that aren't you? Of course because you make more money. How about any affiliate links embedded in your content. Do you put a blinking sign on it saying "if you follow this link and you buy I make money for referring this product." Doubtful.
Why give your visitors any incentives to click a websearch ad that pays pennies? There is no reason. Plain and simple.
There are several good reasons that have been discussed repeatedly in this and other threads. However, I see no point in recycling those valid arguments yet again.
Why get so worked up over something that's optional? Use it or don't use it. Contrary to what some Webmaster World members seem to think, it isn't a nefarious plot by Google to rip off publishers. (If Google wanted to be greedy, it would reinstitute the prohibition against using AdSense on search results.)
I'm not saying it's a nefarious plot. I'm saying it isn't well thought-out--->that is, it won't get much backing if there isn't sufficient advantage to webmasters versus potential disadvantages.
AdSense site- and Web search has considerable appeal for publishers who don't get much internal search traffic (or who want to offer both internal and external search as a service to readers), and who are already using Google SiteSearch or another "free search" solution. It lets them enjoy incremental revenues from internal/external search--just like Washingtonpost.com, which uses Google search, or CNN.com, which uses Yahoo.
In any case, the product doesn't have to be a big success. It's just another product extension that combines two established Google products, AdSense and SiteSearch. It's like offering Google Search in Bulgarian or Catalan: If it earns money and/or builds market share, that's good enough.
I didn't even know they had lifted the prohibition regarding the display of adsense on searches. EFV, is this websearch thing like the mob? Meaning, I subscribed. Can I unsubscribe and use my own search script?
I don't think there's any way to unsubscribe, but I'd imagine that you could use AdSense "content ads" with your own search results if you weren't using Google's search code. The best way to find out is to e-mail AdSense Support.
There is point less to bang my head against you as i think you are thick headed.
I agree to EFV, that hes getting good results, cause he was using it for quite some time as site search, now its just extra income for him, but i don't think people who have their own internal search engine, would go for such low paying adverts of web search.
Rest depends from person to person and we are not at all discussing the precise figures, had we been allowed to give information on each penny we earn, the things would have been clear to everyone, but Big G doesn't wants that, So lets enjoy the way the system is.
I would also thanks ADSENSE for making such a great solution for publishers.
I removed the search box from my site and went back to my own search script with regular AdSense on the results pages and my overall earnings went back up to the previous average literally overnight.
Of course my results might not reflect the norm because my primary site has hundreds of articles on dozens of different topics so the sitesearch is used quite a bit.
Dhaliwal Bhaji ko Gussa Kyon Aata Hai?
Iske Kuch Reason is Prakar Hain
1. Dhaliwal is a Jatt Sikh, so its in his blood.
2. Dhaliwal ne Bahut zyada murge khaye ne ate bahut omlete khaya hai, that makes me arrogant whenever some one doesn't tries to understand
3. Dhaliwal taan ehna goreyaan di bana doo bakri.
4. Dhaliwal Bhaji Daru Pee Ke Gusse Hi Ho sakte hain.
there are many other reason, kabhi time mila toh woh bhi bata denge
Anyways,
see ya later
dhaliwal
The results I received from WebSearch were dismal to say the least. Overall AdSense earnings dropped by a noticable amount for the entire week that I used it.
I removed the search box from my site and went back to my own search script with regular AdSense on the results pages and my overall earnings went back up to the previous average literally overnight.
By "overall earnings," do you mean total revenues as opposed to average EPC? And did the Google Websearch replace an "internal only" search script? Unless you made it easier for users to leave your site than you were doing previously, it's hard to understand why total revenues would be affected by the use of the search box. And if that's what happened (i.e., you provided external search for the first time), the loss of revenue wasn't specifically related to Websearch--it was the result of your making it easier to leave a site where users apparently weren't finding what they needed.
...do you mean total revenues as opposed to average EPC?
Yes, total revenue dropped considerably. Earnings per click took a nosedive as well. I expected EPC to be less with WebSearch but not nearly as low as it was.
And did the Google Websearch replace an "internal only" search script?
Yes, it did. I believe it was the MUCH lower earnings per click that led to the overall drop in revenue. Visitors (now and before WebSearch) leave my site via the internal SiteSearch results pages by clicking on the regular AdSense ads that are displayed on those pages. The EPC on those ads are leaps and bounds above the EPC on Google's web search.
If you've got enough search traffic to justify handling search internally, then it makes sense to continue doing that, unless Google changes its policy of allowing the use of AdSense ads on search results.
There should be a fair revenue sharing for web search adverts too.
And i think google can chanrge the people some fees that too can be based on per thousand searches.
And they should pay the publishers same amount as in Adsense.
Well these are just a few suggestions for improvement of Web Search.
But that depends on google and their policing people to think in improving and paying more to publishers.
And they should pay the publishers same amount as in Adsense.
There's a key difference between Google Websearch and Google AdSense:
- With search, Google is supplying the publisher with editorial content (search results). Or, if you prefer to look at another way, Google is providing a service--search--that the publisher otherwise would have to pay for or would need to obtain from a "free search" provider that doesn't share revenues.
- With AdSense, Google is merely displaying ads on the publisher's content.
It just wouldn't make sense for Google to pay the same revenues for clicks on its content pages (SERPs) as it pays for clicks on the publisher's own pages. The only that method could be justified economically would be for Google to spread out its costs by paying less for AdSense ad clicks on publishers' pages.
I wonder how many more people would be complaining if that happens. Especially those with internal searches of their own that do not use Google search.
Be very careful people for what you wish for (not directed at you EPV). Because this can happen. It is possible. You will surely be forced to supply the Google Web Search to make up for the lost revenue.
There is a charge to use WebSearch?
Man i said this,
google should pay us the same as adsense normal in web search too.
I added this also.
They can charge us for their content based on the number of searches every publisher makes on google.
That way each publisher will be getting an idea that they will be charged something specific, like few $$ for every one thousand searches and whatever he earns from the clicks made is all his.
Well i think, we have got no control over what google will do, but i do have control over my own site and i can drop web search if it not pays me well. and thats what i did.
What does age got to do with anything? You can grow up and be more respectful to those who don't agree with you. If you don't know EPV now he is direct and calls it how he sees it. I never once see him willingly disrespect anyone on this board.
Even with your example it would be likely that the same EPC that we are experiencing now would occur.
Be sure to keep these factors in mind while comparing EPC between search and content ads:
1. Google has to supply everything for the searches.
2. Search ads may not be as INFLATED by the many webmasters using keyword placement and tweaking for higher paying ads.
3. Ad mistargeting. Rather than a mere guesstimation by google for content ads, they hone in on their ad tageting that is found in their own search results. Giving the searcher precicely what they were looking for in regards to the search terms givin.
4. Visitor control in regards to what is put into the search box. They control what is seen in the results instead of what is put in front of them on content pages skewed by webmasters.
i think you are going too much personal, and i must say you that i don't want to carry this any further, cause i know it will lead to me calling you something and then you saying something bad to me and we are not here to fight with each other.
forget it, whatever be your experience, you keep to yourself and what i have been getting, i keep to myself.
In any way F**K OFF
You seem to be the one that has to grow up a little. Especially with your last remark. I would hope that you would be more intelligent enough to come up with something a little better than that.
As for me I never take anything personal. I don't care because I decide what effect of words and experience have on me. Getting upset does nothing for me so I make it a choice to never take anything personal.
Personally I don't care how you feel because it is your choice thus you fault to feel that way regardless of what I say. It is your life. If you want to bang head against the wall because of a disagreement then go right ahead. If you want to get all emotionally out of wack then go right ahead. It isn't my choice or decision. It is yours.
Now ready to get back to the discussion?
i had to make a statement that i am leaving web search and i gave reasons for that
now i am not intrested in knowing who you are, what you are doing with adsense, how you are doing it, what you really feel, or if at all you got some brain too.
I think what you have in plenty is time which i don't have honey
bye and enjoy the way you want to
