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17 clicks from the same IP same page same hour

         

dvduval

4:58 am on Jun 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Okay, so somebody clicked 17 times on about 4 different ads. All the clicks were done within a few minutes.

Would this bother you?

Can I assume that Google Adsense will filter some of the clicks? (they visited the same ads multiple times)

Worse still...the page is related to the same state where I live, so most likely the clicker lives in my state.

Anyways, this is the kind of info I'm getting now that I am tracking clicks. I created a javascript/php script to track everything. Should I ban this IP address from my site? I've never done this, but I assume I could put something in an htaccess file.

digitalv

5:02 am on Jun 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I would ban them and also do the right thing and report the IP and times to Google so they can adjust their records. It's not fair for them to pay you for those clicks, nor is it fair for the advertiser to pay for them.

If you DON'T tell Google, they might think it was you clicking your own ads and ban you from AdSense.

dvduval

5:08 am on Jun 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I've sent 2 messages to Google so far letting them know about accidental clicks. Their last email alluded that I didn't need to keep reporting it. Another member said that Google might ban people for being too "high maintenance". I've already sent them 3 messages, all in the last 3 weeks. I wish the Adsense Advisor was a little more active. I certainly want to "do the right thing". I don't want to bug them, and I want to make sure I'm doing everything I can to run a program that is to their satisfaction.

digitalv

5:12 am on Jun 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If your page is dynamic don't bother banning them by .htaccess. Jus grab their IP address from the server variables and if it matches an offender don't show them the AdSense ads. You can still let the rest of the page load for them.

ChrisKud5

5:20 am on Jun 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"If you DON'T tell Google, they might think it was you clicking your own ads and ban you from AdSense. "

If you ASSUME you make an A$$ of U and ME.

ChrisKud5

5:21 am on Jun 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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By the way, sounds like a nice script you have being able to track.

Maybe send that along to adsense and have the incorporate something along those lines.

jomaxx

5:21 am on Jun 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I really wouldn't worry about it. Just a normal semi-chaotic browsing session. Users don't know they're not supposed to click the ads. :-)

dvduval

5:32 am on Jun 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I really wouldn't worry about it. Just a normal semi-chaotic browsing session. Users don't know they're not supposed to click the ads. :-)

I'm going to go with this answer :)
There are many worse things to worry about (laugh)

I'll keep an eye for this IP...likely just a kiddie.
I should figure out how to ban IPs one of these days (in PHP).

paybacksa

6:17 am on Jun 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Make sure your website is/was responding well at that time. If you site was unresponsive, I believe you could see a user click... wait...click..click.....etc.

Marcia

6:25 am on Jun 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>Jus grab their IP address from the server variables and if it matches an offender don't show them the AdSense ads. You can still let the rest of the page load for them.

And how do you propose that be done? By delivering a different page to that IP or by altering the code in some way?

richmondsteve

11:22 am on Jun 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Marcia wrote:
And how do you propose that be done? By delivering a different page to that IP or by altering the code in some way?

I don't know what digitalv does, but I code my sites in PHP and load AdSense either via an include() statement or a function call. On some sites, before each page is loaded I check that the IP doesn't match an IP that was flagged for suspect behavior.

if (! in_array( return_user_ip(), return_blocked_ips() ) )
{
$output .= return_adsense_block();
}
else
{
$output .= return_custom_ad_block();
}

# return_user_ip() - checks appropriate environment variables for IP address.
# return_blocked_ips() - loads array of blocked IPs from database.
# return_adsense_block() - loads AdSense code with appropriate channel parameter.
# return_custom_ad_block() - loads affiliate ad(s) rotating between.

loanuniverse

1:21 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Is your script counting right clicks? You can test this, and if this is the case it might not be much of a problem. A lot of people look at the properties of a link before clicking.

paybacksa

2:23 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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A lot of people look at the properties of a link before clicking.

Ahem.. let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

In consumer health info, no one right clicks (they don't even know there is a right click).

On SEO and webmaster sites, perhaps a single digit percentage right-clicks, but I doubt much more than that.

loanuniverse

2:33 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Ahem.. let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

Well, we are only talking about one ip being responsible for 17 clicks in the same page same hour. No one said that there were several people doing this. It would only take one to create this situation.

I go to the page. Browse around and right click on the ads. I reload and try again, I might even stumble when doing the right click so that is two. Or maybe someone was just playing around to see if the properties changed in different parts of the ad.

I have done it, I am sure others have also.

mquarles

9:47 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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What do y'all consider too high?

I have had 10 clicks from the same IP twice, and both seemed legit best I could tell from the patterns, the ads they clicked on, etc.

MQ

richmondsteve

11:25 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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What do y'all consider too high?

It's arbitrary and I change based on the # of ads shown in an ad block, whether the ads are fairly consistent across different pages and page reloads and some subjective criteria. For a site using skyscrapers (4 ad per ad block) and showing the same type of ads on 95% of pages:

3 clicks during last 10 seconds.
4 clicks during last 60 seconds.
6 clicks during last 48 hours.

Most users on my sites who do click ads only click 1 or 2 per visit. Very rarely does a user click more than that. By implementing the limits above, a user can still view all 4 ads in a skyscraper. My goal is to limit the chance for mischief so I can live with losing out on potential clicks from the 1 out of 10,000 visitors who might right-click all 4 ads within a minute or 1 out of 50,000 visitors who might click 6 or more ads in a 48 hour period on their subsequent page views. Based on historical data I'm likely losing less than 0.1% of potential clicks due to implementation of these limits. Besides, in place of AdSense I show affiliate ads which earn a decent average EPM, useful information, or internal promotional "ads" to other parts of the site. Once blocked, I'm notified by email and the IP stays blocked until I investigate and decide whether to leave it permanently blocked or to flag it to be unblocked automatically after a set number of hours.

FYI, I also handle some proxy IPs a little differently and I realize that once a page is loaded a malicious user can right-click ads until their fingers fall off and there's nothing I can do to prevent that.

sailorjwd

11:53 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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In reference to checking IPs for bad click behavior:

So why can't/won't Adsense implement such a strategy and save us all the pain of reading about people getting banned due to no fault on their part?