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Same ads for all pages?

Is it possible?

         

david_uk

7:25 am on Jun 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hi,

I have been using Adsense for a few months and got a steady income :)

When I put a banner on some of the pages (usually as a result of a surge of hits) the ads are often not relevant to site content, and sometimes no ads at all.

Is it possible to have the ads that appear on the main index page appear throughout the site, as those ads are appropriate for the rest of the site?

Thanks

Swash

7:57 am on Jun 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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in a word, No.

The ads are served to be relevant to the specific page, not the site as a whole.

richmondsteve

12:00 pm on Jun 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Take a stroll over to Forum 24 [webmasterworld.com]. The ramifications might be a different story.

david_uk

2:31 pm on Jun 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I take the point about ads being relevant to the page they are on as opposed to the site. The problem is that on occasions, adsense has placed ads that are ridiculously inappropriate.

Yes, I know I can list URL's that are not appropriate, but I'm in the UK and most of my visitors are in the US - I've no idea what ads they see, and Google don't have plans (as far as I'm aware) to list what ads appear so that webmasters can have some control.

Would doing something like an include with .ASP where the included page had all the keywords of the main index page a) provide better targetted ads and b) be within the TOS?

Thanks

Visi

4:14 pm on Jun 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Well before last November and theme changes, ads were targetted to page, Again in April was a shift that many different topic pages (or poorly targetted pages) will display a general site themed same ads. Tends to be whatever ads are on the main index p[age that are used. It is also not unusual to have the themed and targeted ads rotate on pages.

richmondsteve

4:24 pm on Jun 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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david_uk wrote:
Would doing something like an include with .ASP where the included page had all the keywords of the main index page a) provide better targetted ads

It's easy enough to test, but no one can answer that for you since it'll depend on the content of each of your pages. I've had mixed results myself when changing the content of a page. I've even noticed that sometimes 1 word out of 500 can be the difference b/w AdWords ads and PSAs or what I consider to be targeted ads and mis-targeted ads. Why not create some test pages, test and then post your findings in this thread?

and b) be within the TOS?

I don't see what part of the TOS it would be violating. If there's a part you're unsure about, post it here and we can discuss it.

Have you ruled out what I suggested in my earlier reply?

david_uk

5:18 pm on Jun 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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> > Would doing something like an include with .ASP where the included page had all the keywords of the main index page a) provide better targetted ads

> It's easy enough to test, but no one can answer that for you since it'll depend on the content of each of your pages. I've had mixed results myself when changing the content of a page. I've even noticed that sometimes 1 word out of 500 can be the difference b/w AdWords ads and PSAs or what I consider to be targeted ads and mis-targeted ads. Why not create some test pages, test and then post your findings in this thread?

Well, I tried the idea of an .ASP include, and the PSA's came back again! So that idea doesn't work.

How much notice does adsense take of meta keywords? I will try and see what I can do with the page content and post any findings back here.

Basically, most of my clicks come from the banner on the front page of the site, and the page I'm trying to get ads on is one of those pages that are showing on the logfiles as having a load of (probably very temporary) visitors. I'm sure that by this time next week it will not be visited in any number again. Such is life!

richmondsteve

6:08 pm on Jun 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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david_uk wrote:
Well, I tried the idea of an .ASP include, and the PSA's came back again! So that idea doesn't work.

Apologies if you are already aware of this, but in general, before a page will show AdWords ads, the Mediapartners bot must visit it and after it analyzes it some time later (a few minutes to a few hours) it may start showing AdWords ads. I say *may* because it won't if 1. it couldn't determine the context of the page, 2. it couldn't access the page for any reason, 3. there currently isn't supply to meet the demand for pages with that context, 4. your page was deamed to contain "negative content" (research stopwords, stop words, trigger words and negative content in this forum) - and probably some other reasons as well.

So, has Mediapartners visited your test pages? And how long ago was that? There is no difference between a page with specific content and a second page with the same content, but some of it generated using a server-side include (such as you did via ASP). Have you ruled out negative content being an issue? I've found that sometimes I need to do *extensive* testing to get a page to show targeted ads and I've had to do even more extensive testing to deal with negative content filters. My point - do lots of testing. If you're not sure what you need to do, you may need to do more research and/or another set of eyeballs. Good luck.

david_uk

8:33 pm on Jun 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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> So, has Mediapartners visited your test pages? And how long ago was that?

I don't know if my logfile tells me this, but I'll look at this tomorrow. Is there any way of inviting them to visit the page?

Thanks

richmondsteve

9:10 pm on Jun 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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david_uk wrote:
I don't know if my logfile tells me this, but I'll look at this tomorrow.

Raw logs almost always include the user agent (in this case "Mediapartners-Google/2.1 (+http://www.googlebot.com/bot.html)"). If you don't have that info. look for IPs in the 64.68.86 and 64.68.87 class C subnets.

Is there any way of inviting them to visit the page?

The Mediapartners bot will visit after the page is viewed for the first time by a browser that loads the AdSense JavaScript code. Like I said earlier, it'll be anywhere from a few minutes to a few hours before it visits. It will then visit the page periodically. Some publishers have had luck getting it to revisit sooner by changing the ad block size and loading the page.

david_uk

5:46 am on Jun 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for the replies and all the good info. I now have a better understanding of Adsense, and it's good to have this forum!

Googlebot has visited the site. The activity on the page seems to have been a 3-day brief flurry, so as activity is now nearly back down to normal I don't think I'm going to pursue this any more at this time. I will however have a bit of a tinker with some test pages to see what works best on my site.

Thanks again