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My account is disabled

For no mistake of mine

         

ideavirus

2:46 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hi,

Very recently my account was disabled with the reason of Invalid Click . But i am very sure, i have not involved myself into suck clicking activity as i am very much aware of the consequences.

Is there a way i can talk to them and get it back again?

Thanks for your time
Cheers

foodconsumer

3:09 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Some people have similar situations.
Someone who clicks on the ad happens to share the same IP with you. Maybe you family member(s) click on it?

jomaxx

3:27 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'm not aware of anyone getting reinstated after being terminated for invalid clicks. There may be a precedent for it somewhere, but it's rare. Note that, in my opinion, "invalid clicks" can refer to other serious violations of the TOS as well, not just to a pattern of fraudulent user clicks.

To judge from this forum there's been a real spate of people getting kicked out over the past week or so. Idle speculation: I wonder if this is connected to the fact that reporting delays have been a lot longer recently? Maybe Google have added a new level of analysis to their fraud detection algorithm?

factornumberone

3:33 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Write them back ideavirus.
I have the same problem [webmasterworld.com] and i'm waiting for their answer.

ideavirus

9:54 am on Jun 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hi all,

Thanks for your replies.
Yes, i have now writtem to them explaining them my side of things.

I have beena great proponent of google all along and this is what i get back in return. It feels soo very bad when you are penalised for no fault of your?

I'll wait and see, if they reply back and do enable my account back. hope they do.
Thanks for your valuable time.

Cheers
Raj

annej

11:25 pm on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

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On July 12, 2003 AdSenseAdvisor wrote the following.

If it's decided that fraudulent activity exists, the next step is to send a warning email to the publisher, not a termination letter. Immediate terminations only occur when severe fraudulent activity has occured.

[webmasterworld.com...] message #19

Is this still true or has the policy changed? If the above procedure is still in place those of us who are carefully following the TOS should be able to quit worrying about suspension with no warning.

But we seem to be getting so many people coming here and saying they were suddenly suspended that one has to wonder.

raymond4unc

11:59 pm on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I've been reading this section of WebmasterWorld for quite sometime. I always found it interesting to see the different stories and circumstances. Well, here is mine. No warning letter, just booted. I asked for a review, got one, said sorry, get lost. I waited for awhile, asked again stating if I had some clue as to the problem I could give better information, but to no avail, get lost! I don't think this says very much for a business to be so one sided. I get to know nothing, they clam to know everything. I try to justify not caring by thinking I wouldn't do business from anyone else with that attitude and I would not be that way to anyone else, but it still doesn't feel right being treated so heavy handed. That's my story and I'm sticking to it! By the way, I applied to ads*nar, got accepted and haven't even bothered putting the code up yet d/t the bad taste I have with google. What I business partner. Remindes me of when monopolies ran the shows and no one had any voice. Right now google has the upper hand and doesn't mind playing it, but that won't always be the case. You have to treat every customer as they are number one and they don't come close to doing that. I could go on how their questions for reinstatment involved things like how many of my visitors would buy products and those kind of questions and none about what problem might have existed, but I'll close for now. Sometimes things just don't work out. This was one of them.

ganderla

12:11 am on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Has anyone who has been booted been an AdWords advertiser?
If so, do you spend quite a bit with them?

I wonder if some clicks are overlooked if you also spend 10 grand a month on AdWords.

factornumberone

12:14 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Is this still true or has the policy changed? If the above procedure is still in place those of us who are carefully following the TOS should be able to quit worrying about suspension with no warning.

What AdSenseAdvisor says in that msg is false.
They can ban you for whatever reason without warning and without explanations.

They have banned me without warning and no explanations (i wrote them 2 times with no reply).

I even had the googlesyndication ips blocked.

No family and friends clicks, no logging in from different computers.

I call it arrogance.

Again i believe adsense is a great program but if you make money with them consider it a bonus, you never know.

alika

2:12 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The last sentence reads: Immediate terminations only occur when severe fraudulent activity has occured.

For those who come here saying they received no email warnings beforehand, they must have fallen under the "severe fraudulent activity" category. As factornumberone said, that G does not even respond to his queries so G must think that it was really bad. Probably little chance of reinstatement.

I think it was asked before but I am not sure of the answer - of those terminated, did their monthly revenues range from:

$99 or below
$100-499
$500-999
$999-4,999
or $5,000 and above

arrowman

3:43 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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You have to treat every customer as they are number one and they don't come close to doing that.

Mixed up. Google is your customer.

raymond4unc

4:07 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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How do you know I'm not googles' customer?

dvduval

4:44 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The very people who could help us get more insight into this, the ones who got booted, are not providing enough information!

Were you targeting high value keyword?
Could a friend have been trying to help you?
Do other people use your computer?
Did you login to adsense from multiple computers?
Is it possible that you received a lot of clicks from a foreign country?
Do you use a discussion forum on your site?
Did you "buy" traffic?

dvduval

5:03 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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...were you using an Adsense Tracking script?

blairsp

5:21 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I haven't (probably yet) but my brother has. In answer to your questions

Were you targeting high value keyword? - NOPE, extremely low value-highest ever click was 8 cents

Could a friend have been trying to help you? -always difficult to say but extremely unlikely, very few of his friends are interested in computers(I know, I know)

Do other people use your computer? - NOPE, own computer, own FIXED IP

Did you login to adsense from multiple computers? -NOPE, always same computer, same IP

Is it possible that you received a lot of clicks from a foreign country? _again not sure, only used google stats which aren't exactly comprehensive although maximum clicks were 20 per day so don't think that was it

Do you use a discussion forum on your site? No forum of any kind

Did you "buy" traffic? - No

didn't use any other ad monitoring software- he wouldn't know how to

mquarles

5:33 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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dvduval,

That's an interesting list. I would love to see others who have been banned answer those questions.

MQ

FromRocky

5:49 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Add to the above list
Revenue: Less than $50 per month (30x20x0.08)

Retalin

6:44 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I had one of my sites booted that was making 5,000+ per month:

Were you targeting high value keyword?
I wouldn't say so... most ever was 50 cents per click.

Could a friend have been trying to help you?
No, honestly my friends arent very computer savy.. they use their computer to email and thats pretty much it.

Do other people use your computer?
Thats like letting someone drive your Ferarri... NO!

Did you login to adsense from multiple computers?
Yes.

Is it possible that you received a lot of clicks from a foreign country?
Sure, mabye 35% of my traffic is foriegn.

Do you use a discussion forum on your site?
Yes.

Did you "buy" traffic?
No.

All in all it was upsetting but hey it's just a game for google... and in case you wondered they do NOT refund AdWords publishers when they kick you out ;) I contacted one of the main sites that was used in our ads and asked if they were refunded for our last month (we were kicked out on the 30th with over 15,000 dollars on hold), and they told me no :)

Google... Shame on you...
*removes his google toolbar and replaces it with the MSN toolbar*

Anyone have a better option for an IE toolbar? :)

irock

7:20 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Retalin,

Did you see a huge surge of click-thru rate or traffic before you are kicked?

Retalin

7:43 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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No, we did about 90k impressions a day, with about 1500 clicks paying out at about 500 or so dollars a day.

irock

7:46 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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So the click-thru rate always stays at approximately 1.6%, right? Because a couple people I know saw a huge surge in click-thru rate and got warning letters...

What kind of industry are you in? If you don't mind sharing...

nyet

7:56 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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...and in case you wondered they do NOT refund AdWords publishers when they kick you out ;) I contacted one of the main sites that was used in our ads and asked if they were refunded for our last month (we were kicked out on the 30th with over 15,000 dollars on hold), and they told me no :)

How do you know these clicks were charged in the first place? Perhaps the system 'caught' the suspicious activity, suspended your account and never charged the advertiser.

Jenstar

8:20 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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and in case you wondered they do NOT refund AdWords publishers when they kick you out

I have received a refund from Adwords for clicks they determined to be fraudulent - I did not contact Adwords about it prior. It does not say when the fraudulent clicks were made, but I do not think all clicks would be refunded instantly - they may just refund the fraudulent ones. Perhaps the one advertiser did not receive any fraudulent clicks, or the fraudulent ones may not have been credited yet.

Retalin, are you certain that AdSense is not paying you for all but the invalid clicks? Because you were suspended in May, they wouldn't be processing checks for May's earnings until later this month. You should confirm this with Google.

ownerrim

9:51 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I see threads like this all the time. Who knows where google and adsense will be a year or two down the road. But...with as much anxiety and nail-biting as they are causing for the webmasters who "carry" their ads and, to some extent, their company, they are definitely helping their future competitor to whom publishers will jump ship, even if only to try it out. That may not be Quigo, but at some point there will be someone who comes along and does it better than google in the contextual ad arena. So far, I've not gotten the dreaded email from google, but, like many, I've come to the solid conclusion that it could happen, ie I could get booted for having done nothing wrong whatsoever. When publishers have this kind of anxiety about their "business partner", that's not a good sign for the future.

Teknorat

1:40 am on Jun 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Surely logging into Adsense from different PC's couldn't hurt. It is a neccessity for me to access adsense from all different PC's on different IP ranges. None of them are used by the public or anyone who would click ads so I don't see the problem. With regards to getting kicked- where you involved in 'bad activities' with ads outside of that account?

nyet

3:31 am on Jun 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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When publishers have this kind of anxiety about their "business partner", that's not a good sign for the future.

They are your customer *not* business partner.

Yes, customers may stop spending at any time and for any reason (even unfair ones).

raymond4unc

4:14 am on Jun 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Google is not just comming in a "buying" something. They are a business partner that wants to play like the big boys played years ago. They too will learn that is not how you do business. Many have tried, gotten away with it for awhile, but except for Bill Gates, all have failed. But, Bill Gates does try to treat his customers as they are all important. Maybe that is why he hasn't been brought down yet.

nyet

11:56 am on Jun 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Google is not just comming in a "buying" something.

umm, yes they are - advertising space on your site.

Generally it is the party *paying* that is considered the customer. Bill Gates treats his *customers* well because they *pay* him.

I imagine he treats his *suppliers* less well (as they do not pay him), especially the suppliers for which he has *many* alternative suppliers.

I can assure you that Google treats its true customers (the advertisers) quite well.

raymond4unc

12:50 pm on Jun 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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umm, yes they are business partners until one or the other cuts it off.

nyet

1:49 pm on Jun 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I guess same way a walmart shopper is a 'partner' until he decides to leave the store?

But semantics aside, they have a vested interest being very selective (even brutal) in choosing publisher sites.

I just think it very odd how many publisher's (it seems) seem to think G should treat them defferentially.

It is business.....you'll get defferential treatment if you are *valuable* to them.