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U.S. Sole Proprietor Income Tax

         

peterinwa

4:09 am on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I've had a website as a hobby for four years and just discovered AdSense a month ago and am now suddenly making enough to live on (which isn't much). I've done my own taxes all my life, even when I had a small business and used Schedule C to report the profit/loss. So I figure I can handle this.

But I'm wondering if there is a forum or a source of information (tips) for webmasters with income from (only) AdSense... which is why I posted here. My expenses are very simple: webhosting, printer paper and ink; maybe I'll buy another PC; and can I deduct some of the expenses for my home/office?

I suspect there are many webmasters out there in my situation. Nothing too complicated as we're not buying or selling anything. Just making some revenue from AdSense.

Thanks, Peter

martinibuster

4:35 am on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Generally yes, you can deduct your home office expenses as long as it's strictly for office use, and not dual use. Best to consult with an accountant. Plus, their fees are tax deductible. :)

europeforvisitors

5:02 am on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)



Buy TurboTax or TaxCut and use Schedule C. (The tax program will tell you what you can and can't deduct.)

alika

9:55 am on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Taxtime is a year away. I suggest you thoroughly read what the IRS says.

Straight from the horses' mouth:

IRS Publication: Business Use of Your Home
[irs.gov...]

Business Expenses
[irs.gov...]

paybacksa

1:44 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Best ask an accountant. I see people recommending QuickBooks, Turbotax, Taxcut etc. but they are not perfect and are relatively complex - you have a simple question.

In case anyone is about to tell me ProgramSoandSo is really good, let's just agree they are not *perfect*:

I have the two most popular tax programs give me the same "advice" regarding an inventory accounting method, only to learn later (from a very expensive lawyer accountant) it was not only wrong and very costly for me, but could not (legally) be corrected! Of course the software has so-called "guarantees" but if you read the fine print, they always advise you to contact an accountant before following the advice - their guarantee really applies only to the simplest uses, if at all.

figment88

1:52 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'll echo get an accountant, but I'm also guessing you won't do so until tax time gets closer.

In the meantime, what you should do is make sure you are keeping good records or expenses and revenues. If your site until recently was only a hobby, I'm guessing you do not have a seperate bank account. If not, you should definately file for a DBA and setup business checking.

Another thing you might want to consider is getting a business liscense from your local city. Depending on where you live this can be cheap and simple or fairly expensive and a hassle. A business liscense is almost always technically required.

peterinwa

3:43 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for all the useful tips. I suspect in the end I'll do my taxes myself as I always have. I work out at a gym and use that time (between sets) to read and the tax books will fit right in.

Again, I don't really have a business as such. Just discovered AdSense and my hobby (which has about no expenses) became one.

After I do my leaning I think I'll post back here. I think there must be a lot of people like me -- not really business people so much as hobbyists that fell into AdSense. I think it might be useful for us to share about some of the deductions we learn are appropriate to take.

Not just the obvious, like webhosting costs. But others like the computer books we purchase. Not that we can give "tax advice" to others, but that we can lists possible items which others can investigate to see for themselves if they might be appropriate deductions.

Thanks again, Peter

peterinwa

3:29 am on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yikes! I've already learned something new... didn't realize I'd have to pay into Social Security as well as paying taxes.

europeforvisitors

3:40 am on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)



Yikes! I've already learned something new... didn't realize I'd have to pay into Social Security as well as paying taxes.

It's called "Self-Employment Tax" if it's from business income (as opposed to salary or wages), and you pay a higher percentage than you would on employment income. But that's something a program like TurboTax or TaxCut will figure out for you automatically.

figment88

4:57 am on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'd have to pay into Social Security

Which is why it so important to take all of the legitimate deductions off the top that you are eligible for.

Home office deductions are non-trivial, especially if you rent.

Writing-off broadband internet connection can buy a couple of nice dinners.

Something else I learned not too long ago. Medical insurance premiums are tax-deductible but out-of-pocket medical expenses are not. So, if you cover yourself it makes more sense to get an expensive policy with lower co-pays and higher discounts on prescriptions than to try and save on premiums.

Even a mediocre CPA should pay for herself. A good one is indispensable.

paybacksa

1:33 pm on Jun 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I am reminded of some "true" stories from the dot com era.

Dad's were getting past due tax bills (with significant penalties) for their technogeek sons website revenue. The kids had been earning affiliate dollars into the tens of thousands from their hobby sites, and cashing the checks for spending money (video game consoles and the like).

Those kids are probably entering the official work force right around now...

chicagohh

2:51 pm on Jun 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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You must have a CPA as you need someone to guide you through the tax code. When deducting home office expenses, be careful about home usage (% of home used). If it is not done right, the IRS will tax you on the sale of your home. If you rent it is a non issue.

sailorjwd

1:53 am on Jun 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'm not a CPA but I've been have doing my taxes for 30 years. I have found that deduction of office space and related 'house' expenses is marginally worthwhile unless you have a very small house and a large office (ie office >25% of space).

Be aware that the office space has to be used 100% of the time for business - not 95% - often hard to accomplish for a part time occupation.

Also, the insurance co-pays, etc are deductable after you reach 7.5% of your income - not hard to do if you don't make a lot of money. It is worthwhile to be able to deduct office business expenses even if you don't deduct your home office space. Rapid depreciation of new computer equipment, deduction of subscriptions, supplies etc really help - don't forget the large oak desk and CEO-style office chairs :)

Also note that if you decide to increase traffic by using G. Adwords then that is deductable too.

MovingOnUp

4:49 am on Jun 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The one other recommendation I would make would be to invest regularly in an SEP IRA. That helps to reduce the tax liability and prepare for the future. Maximum contribution is $40,000 per year (20% of first $200,000 in earnings).

Powdork

5:10 am on Jun 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Since it is early in the year it is time for you to spread way out. The deduction you are allowed to take is based on the square footage of your office space in relation to the square footage of your house. Additionally, it is based on the % of time the assets in question are used for work versus other uses. Here are some deductions I take.
rent (computer workstation in one room, file storage, scanner, etc in the other.)
broadband
electric
gas
All computer/digital equipment/peripherals
The site offers lots of info on stuff I have fun doing everyday (skiing, hiking, beach, etc). I often joke that I am living my life as a tax exemption.

figment88

5:47 am on Jun 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have found that deduction of office space and related 'house' expenses is marginally worthwhile

This is true if you are paying a mortagage. Since you already get deduction for interest expense, deducting for a home office is not that big a deal. However, if you rent, home office deduction is huge.

As far as medical, yeah it is hard to deduct the out-of-pockets such as co-pays. Insurance premiums are a different matter. That's why I changed to a more expensive policy.

yowza

6:30 am on Jun 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'd get an accountant. You can forget about reading the tax books and save time on paperwork. With all that free time you can devote more time to improving your website.

I don't make a lot of money either, but time saved for a couple of hundred bucks is worth it to me. Then you get to write that money off on taxes and you get the professional advice of an accountant.

A side benefit is you can support a local business and add one more person to your network of businesspeople. My accountant has done wonders for my networking.