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Do More Adsense Clicks Equal Less CPC?

Discussion on adsense click value per topic, CPC going down over time

         

Born_User

7:24 pm on Jun 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Has anyone heard whether Adsense will devalue your clicks after a certain number of clickthroughs per topic per day?

Here's the scenario. I have a site that gets about 3,500 page views per day. My adsense clickthrough rate is high. Earlier, when I only had 600 pages indexed in G, I earned about $1 per click. Now that I have 3,000 pages indexed, I only get about 50 cents per click. In other words, the more visitors I get to my page, the less the ads seem to pay me.

I am thinking of 2 theories:

1. Is it possible that G only has a certain amount of inventory ad dollars to spread around per topic? Could I possibly be making a dent in the total amount of clicks that the advertisers in my topic are budgeting?

2. Has G somehow simply de-valued the ads on my pages? I am aware of the "smart-pricing" that adsense claims to have. But the change I am talking about only occurred 2 weeks ago, much later than the "smart-pricing" went into effect.

This is my 1st go-round with G adsense. I like it, but is it common for click value to waiver like this so dramatically?

richmondsteve

7:39 pm on Jun 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Both of your theories are potentially valid, but it could also simply be due to other factors have caused a decline in average EPC - including less publishers bidding, less ad supply volume, more ad demand volume, lower publishers' bids, etc.

Jenstar

7:41 pm on Jun 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Since this site is fairly new to AdSense, chances are that some of those pages have lower paying ads, which seems to drag your EPC down. You likely still have pages running at $1 EPC, but if you have many pages with a $0.30 EPC, your overall EPC will be lower.

Why don't you set up some channels and see if you can determine which sections are producing a higher EPC? Not only will this give you some reassurance, but it will help you determine which sections or topics you might want to add additional pages to ;)

<added>Richmondsteve is right, bidding fluctuations could play a role. As could the fact that it was just Memorial Day weekend in the US, so many advertisers may have turned off or lowered the bid prices of their campaigns, as well as the fact US-based traffic likely would have been significantly reduced.</added>

[edited by: Jenstar at 7:43 pm (utc) on June 2, 2004]

jomaxx

7:41 pm on Jun 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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A dollar a click, or even 50 cents, is a pretty high average to maintain. My guess is: now that you have five times as many pages in the index, all those new pages are bringing down the average EPC.

Born_User

8:03 pm on Jun 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Ultimately, I am thrilled to get .50 per click. I was just wondering if others have noticed a similar relationship... that as clickthroughs rise, EPC falls. I was earning $200 per day at 210 clicks, now earning $200 per day for 400 clicks.

One last question to float out there. Anything I may have done to help de-value my clicks? All the pages are content... not directories or anything.

HarleyGuy

8:04 pm on Jun 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Born_User welcome
I have had the same experiences in the past. When i first started adsence 9 months ago I was recieving over a $1 per click. there has been several occasions when all of a sudden my epc falls like crazy, but it also always goes back again.
I used the channels to see if i could figure things out.
Even though I do believe there are other factors that I am not aware of, Adding more pages to my site did effect my epc.
New pages were using slightly different keywords (same topic) These keywords were of lower value.
So the increase of traffic and clicks were for lower value epc.

-my origanal pages were still getting the same click thru's at the same epc-

The new pages were doing all the diluting.
Try using your channels, at first the feed back may seem simple, but with continued use over a month you will see some great oppertunities to increase you income.

Born_User

8:11 pm on Jun 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks HarleyGuy. That's exactly the type of experience that I was hoping someone has already had and could comment on. I just want to feel like I'm headed down the right path. I also do other affiliate publishing and last month had my first real "success" at that. But ultimately, when I divide my # of page views per $ earned, Adsense seems to do better.

But I am still new to a lot of this. I have been doing high-end SEO stuff for a while, but I've only recently been developing sites to make my own money. We'll see how it goes.

filesiteguy

8:13 pm on Jun 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have had a similar experience.

On one site I am stricly using AdSense. It consistantly recieves about 2000 clicks per day (according to the Google stats) and generally averages about 1% click rate.

Whereby I was getting > $0.50 per click several months ago, I am now getting rougly < $0.10 per click.

Either the advertisers have lowered their rates or the cpc rate has changed.

HTH

Kai

Never_again

8:13 pm on Jun 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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My experience is that the fluctuation in the advertiser mix has more to do with EPC changes than does Google’s algorithm.

There are any number of reason for advertiser mix fluctuations including (but not limited too):

* New advertisers coming into the program and bidding up keyword
* High EPC advertisers dropping out or suspending campaign for a period (for any number of reasons including hitting budget cap and dropping “content” sites from their campaigns.)
* Appropriate targeted ad inventory become depleted triggering more PSAs.

There is also ad apathy that can sets in with your site users after awhile.

ogletree

8:21 pm on Jun 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The more pages you add the lower your cpc will be. Just because there is just not that much inventory out there. The more pages you have the more ads you have. They will show the expensive ads and the cheap ads. There will get less for adding more pages. You will still get more money you will just need more pages than you have now to double what you have now. Find out which page has the most CPC. Put a channel on you top few pages and see what they get. Try to get more traffic there. If you know your best page set your 404 to default there instead of a 404 page.

HarleyGuy

8:22 pm on Jun 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Born_User

I have had great success with Adsence.
I have even slowed down my affilate projects to consentrate more on Adsence.

Now that google has the ability to moniter specific pages or sections of my site useing channels I can now spend my time making improvements to my site where it matters most.

There are alot of people that have negitive thoughts about Adsence, I do not have a one.
I earn a living on Adsence alone.

Good luck to you. Dont quit. And keep tring new things.

HarleyGuy

8:28 pm on Jun 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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One more thing
You will never know every aspect of Adsence because there are way to many factors involved. And many of those factors can not be reviled by google.

Dont get obsessed by knowing all aspects just learn what you can, play fair and hope for the best.

This is also my view of women.

europeforvisitors

9:46 pm on Jun 2, 2004 (gmt 0)



The more pages you add the lower your cpc will be. Just because there is just not that much inventory out there.

There's quite a bit of inventory for some topics, less for others.

And remember: A site with 3,000 pages probably won't have the same keywords on every page, so the new pages won't necessarily be competing with the old ones for ads.

ogletree

1:31 am on Jun 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have done quite a few sites and the CPC always goes down the more pages you add. I would be suprised if anybody ever added pages and CPC went up. Unless you just have a bunch of real bad pages and you add several pages in the high cpc area. That would be a one time increase. When you added more in the high cpc area CPC will eventualy start going down. Generaly if you just add more pages to some random topic CPC will not go up. Getting more visitors to the high cpc page is the way to go.

europeforvisitors

1:37 am on Jun 3, 2004 (gmt 0)



Generaly if you just add more pages to some random topic CPC will not go up.

Again, it depends on the topic. I think it's difficult to generalize on the basis of a limited sample. (And let's face it: No matter how many Web sites a publisher may have, they're still a limited sample in the overall scheme of things.)

Getting more visitors to the high cpc page is the way to go.

Not necessarily. CPC is less important than bottom-line revenue. (I'm sure I could raise my earnings per click dramatically by eliminating 75% of my pages, but I'd be cutting my total revenues in the process.)

Sunflux

4:15 am on Jun 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I've noticed that, generally, days with high click-through rates also have low earnings per click, while days with lower click-through rater have higher earnings per click. It's a rare day indeed when I get both high clicks AND high earnings (note that we're still taking WAY under $1 or $0.50 per click).

HellaCooL

4:24 am on Jun 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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This has also happened to me.
Last week my website traffic doubled and revenue from clickthroughs is now two times less. Its really depressing to see your traffic doubling but your revenue staying the same. My earnings per click went down almost in half.
I just hope that if my clicks tripled that earnings per click wont go down three times.
That would be really depressing.

ogletree

5:49 am on Jun 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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never mind

danag

4:06 pm on Jun 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>Find out which page has the most CPC. Put a channel >>on you top few pages and see what they get. Try to >>get more traffic there. If you know your best page >>set your 404 to default there instead of a 404 page.

Question: If page X is a 404 redirect, is page X considered an "error" page where AdSense is prohibited?
Suppose page X is the home page?

Much thanks for your help.

jomaxx

4:15 pm on Jun 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Ha, I missed that suggestion. IMO you'd be stretching the TOS to the limit by redirecting 404 traffic to a page optimized for some high-paying topic.

It would probably be OK to redirect 404's to your homepage, as that's not uncommon. But doing that is terrible from a usability point of view.