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2. Do not check your stats on any machine or IP used by others.
3. Be proactive with Google, if you see a spike in stats, report it immediately to show you are playing clean.
4. Never tell ANYONE about how you make money on adsense, too many people "click to help".
5. Do not put adsense on a low traffic site, Google will be much quicker to ban you.
Any others?
It was pure coincidence that on this particular day, there was only 1 clickthrough on page A (channel A) and 1 clickthrough on page B (channel B). Another required ingredient is the tracking script introduced on other parts of this forum, so I have a record of the actual exit clicks. They were to the same ad.
The odd thing is that the page that received the lower value click has much more on-topic "content" on it (although it is affilliate-related).
CJ Evolution should be coming on fairly soon with Pay Per Aquisition.Fortunately, they don't really care how much fraudulent traffic you might send because their advertisers don't pay on a per click basis.
As long as CPC exists, fraud click cannot be avoided. CPA is much better.
As long as CPC exists, fraud click cannot be avoided. CPA is much better.
For the advertiser, maybe. Not for Google, and not for publishers.
CPA works for affiliate programs because the typical Web site works with a limited number of partners that it can trust. With an ad network like AdSense, CPA isn't practical because a typical publisher might have dozens or hundreds of advertisers, any of whom could cheat from the publisher, a whole slew of other publishers, and Google.
(FWIW, I've been stiffed by one long-established affiliate program--sticky me if you'd like to know which one--and I'm sure that I'm not alone. I'd hate to think how many publishers could get robbed by that company and others like it if it were allowed to buy AdSense ads on a CPA basis.)
Google Adsense:-
The first rule of Google Adsense is that you musn't talk about Google Adsense - lol..
Anyway I found that thought amusing - but I'm sure most people won't get it......
The first rule of Google Adsense is that you musn't talk about Google Adsense
You are not your clicks. You are not your impressions. You are not your f*@#ing CTR.
but I'm sure most people won't get it......
That's some good stuff you got going there, lets just hope Google does not go the same way as ed norton =)
That's some good stuff you got going there, lets just hope Google does not go the same way as ed norton =)
What, go schizophrenic and self-destruct? Seriously though Google is big - so big I'm sure the people at the top of it can't keep control on everything that goes on - take all the research thing they've got going in Switzerland....
Now, if only they could research ways to make Adsense better for advertisers and publishers (direct deposit - or do I hear an echo in here).... then the better their reputation will be from changing from a monolithic multinational to a company that changes with the ever changing modern world.... although they can trade on their brand..... other companies will come and try and "steal their thunder".
Anyway - enough of all this - time for the comments! :)
P.S. Monolithic in my book describes Google quite well - they're more like that.... they need to be more flexible and less "samey" in their approach to their existing clients. For instance using form emails for routine enquiries - but checking that the form email tallies with the user's question. I suppose the problem Google has is trying to be all things to all people. They have a pretty good compromise worked out but it's by no means optimal (but then if it was - they wouldn't be interested in profit. *grins*)....
or indians in a sweat shop - Swash
WebmasterWorld is doing a great job publishing, distributing and promoting hateful, racially, ethnically objectionable material. Allowing such posts and such topics: [webmasterworld.com...]
Crimainals are in every part of the world. India is home of various multinational profiting IT and Internet companies IBM, Oracle, Google, Yahoo, MSN, Wipro, Infosys, Rediff etc. etc. Ranked 11th in Internet usage of world - people here using Internet on everyday basis.
Its a SHAME!
I've posted this before. I specifically asked a human bot at Google if more than one ad could be displayed on one page. The answer was an emphatic NO. The TOS contain errors including the one about multiple ads. Always check first since there is no fair and open court system in this utopian society.
Fight Club is the greatest movie ever made!
I do not think that your attack on webmasterworld is fair though. If you do spot any other comments you feel are offensive do sticky a moderator. I have every confidence they will look on racially abusive material very seriously indeed. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they are prepared to ban persistent offenders.
The first rule of Google Adsense is that you musn't talk about Google Adsense - lol..
That is, of course, an exaggeration of Google's condition that you don't discuss Adsense stats they have provided you.
With Google and CJ Evolution it is *impossible* to stiff anyone.
The fact is, and I shall explains this as best I can: your rank = CTR*CPC. It's all About Results (tm).
In other words: your rank is determined by how much pay out.
Eg: If you don't pay you don't play. You don't rank. You stiff, you don't show up. No impressions. And no impressions = 0 clicks.
So you won't stiff. Why not? Cause if you did, you wouldn't show up on anyones websites, cause that's how Google works.
In other words, if for example, you got a conversion but didn't report it and someone else got a conversion and they did report it, then *their* ads would show up more than yours would.
To put yet another way, if you wanted to get more impressions (and therefore clicks) you would make every excuse in the world to convert. Maybe if they just visited a certain web page, you would convert.
Or maybe you would over pay for a conversion just to make up for the conversions that the system didn't actually register. Cause if you didn't, someone else would, and they would rank higher and therefore get more traffic than you.
Please let me know if I am not being clear.
Yes, I understand what you're saying, but I don't believe that a crooked advertiser couldn't game the system by using disposable accounts in much the same way as "black hat" SEOs and Webmasters use disposable domains.
There are crooks, con artists, fraudsters etc in every walk of life. Online it's far easier though as they can be thousands of miles away in a seperate country where it's no illegal to hack into your webserver and change all the advertiser's codes to their own (or enough so that nobody will notice the missing money).
However having appropriate cyber security (eg different passwords - passwords change once a week etc) - having checks and balances in the systems to detect fraud - should catch most of it. A lot of fraud often is "an inside job" done by some disgruntled employee looking to get rich on the proceeds. America still has a long way to go on getting to a reasonable standard of cybersecurity. The only way that'll happen is through education - eg anti-virus programs, firewalls, backing up data etc..
There will always be greedy people in the world and there will always be competitors - however most of us play by the rules and laws of the land - and the rest usually end up in jail or in a courtroom..... there are simple things that can be done to bring a site down - mail bombing, DOSsing, strange things like using dummy machines to mirror a 404 off back to the webserver etc..... our entire communications infrastructure has its weakpoints - and the Internet was never designed for what it is used for today......
Site A is a travel-planning site, go-see-antarctica.com. If readers see ads for "McMurdo Sound Adventure Tours" on a page about McMurdo sound, there's at least a reasonable chance that they'll buy a tour or request more information.Site B is a travel-narrative site, antarctica-armchair-traveler.com. If readers see ads for "McMurdo Sound Adventure Tours," they may click out of curiosity or to enrich their fantasy lives, but very few of them will book a tour.
... Now, you could argue that Google needs to do a better job of targeting by displaying ads for "McMurdo Sound Adventure Tours" on Site A but not on Site B.
I would question this line of reasoning. If someone is considering a holiday they may have several places in mind. The well-informed interesting travel-narrative site may be the factor that makes up their minds. In which case an ad there could be relevant.
They are also likely to visit the site more than once, so the ad gets more exposure.
You mean they havent already?
having checks and balances in the systems to detect fraud - should catch most of it [fraud].
That's equally true of click fraud.
If someone is considering a holiday they may have several places in mind. The well-informed interesting travel-narrative site may be the factor that makes up their minds. In which case an ad there could be relevant.
Sure, an ad could be relevant, and some travel-narrative fans are also travelers. But a travel-planning site is going to attract a higher percentage of hot prospects simply because a large number of its visitors are actively researching how to spend their vacation dollars, pounds, euros, francs, kroner, yen, etc. (If you don't agree with this logic, take your argument up with Google, not with me--they're the ones who used the example of a camera-review page vs. a page of photo tips, which is similar to what I've just described.)
